The ongoing Arrows story

steve nielsen · 4 Jan 2002, 22:29 (Ref:194071)

The Dutch F1 station RTL 5 reported today in their weekly F1 news show that Tom Walkinshaw wants Jos and HHF to drive the A23-Cosworth, Bernoldi would go to the IRL where he would drive for team Cheever(also sponsored by Red Bull).

It could be true, the RTLF1 team hang out in the Arrows motorhomes often during the season(Because Jos drives for them) and know a lot of people there.

LucaBadoer · 4 Jan 2002, 22:34 (Ref:194077)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
The Dutch F1 station RTL 5 reported today in their weekly F1 news show that Tom Walkinshaw wants Jos and HHF to drive the A23-Cosworth, Bernoldi would go to the IRL where he would drive for team Cheever(also sponsored by Red Bull).

Well, I know that's the sort of thing I'd do if I was TW. Bernoldi just isn't as good as HHF or Jos...

Anyway, I was wondering the other day - Mr Nielsen, have you ever posted anything not to do with 'the boss'???

SILVERS95 · 4 Jan 2002, 22:43 (Ref:194085)

2 points ..........

1st..Bernoldi made Jos look pretty average sometimes last year and deserves to keep his place at Arrows.

2nd...That Cheever IRL seat is the one that young Dan Wheldon is hoping to get , and that could be his big break into top line Racing in the USA.

so i hope it don't happen and Wheldon get his chance in the IRL.

steve nielsen · 5 Jan 2002, 06:30 (Ref:194163)

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Originally posted by SILVERS95
2 points ..........

1st..Bernoldi made Jos look pretty average sometimes last year and deserves to keep his place at Arrows.

2nd...That Cheever IRL seat is the one that young Dan Wheldon is hoping to get , and that could be his big break into top line Racing in the USA.

so i hope it don't happen and Wheldon get his chance in the IRL.

Who 's the other Cheever driver??

BTW: the rumours are that Bernoldi could come back in 2003(HHF will probably go to Jag next year)

SILVERS95 · 5 Jan 2002, 09:05 (Ref:194177)

Hienz to Jag then..to replace who....Eddie or Pedro ?

**gomick** · 5 Jan 2002, 11:22 (Ref:194217)

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Who 's the other Cheever driver??

ediie cheever and possibly dan wheldon.....

Minardi fan · 5 Jan 2002, 11:27 (Ref:194223)

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Originally posted by SILVERS95

1st..Bernoldi made Jos look pretty average sometimes last year and deserves to keep his place at Arrows.

I quite agree. His performance in qualifying at Silverstone was exemplary - Bella and I commented at just how late he left braking in the wet, and he kept a perfect line.

It must be remembered that by the end of the season, the Arrows was the slowest car in F1 - therefore Bernoldi would find it difficult to impress.

Tom Fuller · 5 Jan 2002, 12:55 (Ref:194276)

Jos has been there for 2 years, knows the team, has put in some pretty impressive drives, and I believe Orange is Dutch and sponsor him.

steve nielsen · 5 Jan 2002, 13:51 (Ref:194326)

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Originally posted by Tom Fuller
Jos has been there for 2 years, knows the team, has put in some pretty impressive drives, and I believe Orange is Dutch and sponsor him.

Jos has also driven for Arrows in 96 and for Benetton in 94(when Tom Walkinshaw still worked there).

Orange is'nt Dutch, it is now French(taken over by France Telecom, it was owned by Vodafone but they had to sell it because of their merger with D2/Mannesman), but France Telecom also ownes Dutchtone wich will be renamed Orange this year.

Lost Boys,TCC and Trust are Dutch(and sponsor Arrows because Jos driver there), Chello(UPC) is based in Amsterdam(but is American).

Tom Fuller · 5 Jan 2002, 17:27 (Ref:194415)

So its inevitible really that Arrows keep Jos.

SILVERS95 · 5 Jan 2002, 17:37 (Ref:194421)

Minardi fan,,,,,its good to see someone else noticing young Bernoldi's efforts last season.....so many people only talk about Jos all the time.....

As for the British GP , Bernoldi was breathtaking in the Satuday morning 1st pracice session in the wet..

Tom Fuller · 5 Jan 2002, 17:47 (Ref:194424)

WOW!!! One good performance! Amazing!

steve nielsen · 5 Jan 2002, 18:36 (Ref:194442)

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Originally posted by Minardi fan

I quite agree. His performance in qualifying at Silverstone was exemplary - Bella and I commented at just how late he left braking in the wet, and he kept a perfect line.

It must be remembered that by the end of the season, the Arrows was the slowest car in F1 - therefore Bernoldi would find it difficult to impress.

17 Jos Verstappen Orange Arrows Nederland 1:24.067 + 3.62 + 0.332 220.238
18 Jenson Button Benetton Playlife Gr Brittannië 1:24.123 + 3.676 + 0.056 220.091
19 Giancarlo Fisichella Benetton Playlife Italië 1:24.275 + 3.828 + 0.152 219.694
20 Enrique Bernoldi Orange Arrows Brazilië 1:24.606 + 4.159 + 0.331 218.835

well, 20th and 4 places(and half a second) behind your teammate, just perfect

, you picked a weekend where Jos was faster in all sessions.

steve nielsen · 5 Jan 2002, 18:38 (Ref:194443)

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Originally posted by SILVERS95
Minardi fan,,,,,its good to see someone else noticing young Bernoldi's efforts last season.....so many people only talk about Jos all the time.....

As for the British GP , Bernoldi was breathtaking in the Satuday morning 1st pracice session in the wet..

12 Jos Verstappen Orange Arrows Nederland 1:35.173 + 3.743 + 0.016 194.538
13 Enrique Bernoldi Orange Arrows Brazilië 1:35.402 + 3.972 + 0.229 194.071

but still 2 tents behind Jos.

Tom Fuller · 5 Jan 2002, 19:25 (Ref:194472)

Told you Jos was better

EERO · 5 Jan 2002, 22:44 (Ref:194580)

I like the sounds of this rumour, steve. In the long run, TWR really want to move up the grid and have a decent infrastructure in place. The lack is funding. With a Cossie in the back in 2002, they have a real shot at making an impression-heck, even showing up Jag would be a victory of sorts. In the long term, they will have a better shot with HHF and Jos than they ever would with Bernoldi.

Why Mateschitz is pushing for Enrique. i'll never know. I'm blind to his talent.

Valve Bounce · 5 Jan 2002, 23:15 (Ref:194600)

Bernoldi has talent - no question. Just ask DC

However, he is not the racer that Jos is, and he is not, IMO, as good as Jos. OK, start throwing the bricks at me, I live 4 stories up.

EERO · 7 Jan 2002, 02:00 (Ref:194743)

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Originally posted by Valve Bounce
Bernoldi has talent - no question. Just ask DC

If I recall, Bouncey, you and I were the only ones who felt Bernoldi was out of line at monaco given the nature of the circuit.

Valve Bounce · 7 Jan 2002, 06:02 (Ref:194763)

I know

But DC was able to really study his driving style from close quarters for something like 40 laps.

SILVERS95 · 7 Jan 2002, 09:07 (Ref:194788)

Ive never said Jos wern't a good driver , he is a good driver ......but Bernoldi doesnt get the credit he deserves..So come all you Jos fans...

if Jos is soo damm good , why did he get out qualified all the time by a young rookie with no experience ????

when Jos had great races last year , it was usually because he had about 15 laps worth of fuel in his car.

cos · 7 Jan 2002, 10:23 (Ref:194814)

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Originally posted by SILVERS95

when Jos had great races last year , it was usually because he had about 15 laps worth of fuel in his car.

But usually both Arrows guys were on the same strategy, and it was always Jos we saw carving through the traffic...

**Stephen Green** · 10 Jan 2002, 11:44 (Ref:196484)

I hear through a source at Arrows that HHF has finally signed for next year. There appears to be a problem with the Orange sponsorship still, probably something to do with coverage on TV if I'm not mistaken.

f1manoz · 10 Jan 2002, 12:41 (Ref:196508)

HHF and Jos would make a very strong combination. The experienced grand-prix winner teamed with a driver who is head-strong and arguably very quick.

Sure, Enrique managed to OUTQUALIFY Jos, but in the RACES (where points are earned, the money made) Bernoldi was rarely seen.

The Bernoldi/Jos/HHF saga is just another show of how untaleneted drivers are kept in seats that more talented drivers deserve.

The Moon Monkey · 10 Jan 2002, 14:01 (Ref:196538)

HHF and Jos would be a great partnership - perhaps then Arrows could qualify 14th and 15th... the most Arrows can ever hope for this season is to outqualify Jaguar now and again but points scoring finishes will be hard to obtain - as usual...

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