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Old 24 Feb 2003, 19:10 (Ref:516356)   #1
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Driver wanted...Must be White and Male

Why are there no women competing in the more competative formulas??

Also.. why are there no black drivers in formula one? Every other sport seems to have great black athletes, why not motorsport?

Surely either of the above would be a sponsors dream

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Old 24 Feb 2003, 19:18 (Ref:516372)   #2
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This is not meant as racist or sexist, but the simple fact of the matter is that there are no drivers fitting those descriptions, that are good enough. If there were they would have the drive because, as you say, they'd be a PR mans dream.
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Old 24 Feb 2003, 19:30 (Ref:516390)   #3
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I'm sure that Sarah Fisher & George Mack Can't be the only active minority drivers on this planet. To me, that's like saying I the only black motorsports fan, period. They just need to be found and able to earn an opportunity.

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Old 24 Feb 2003, 19:33 (Ref:516392)   #4
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There are certainly non-whites racing (or have recently been) in formula one - Sato, for example, and strictly speacking, are south americans "white"?

I'm sure every motorsports promoter would love to have a motorsports equivalent of Tiger Woods in their series. I don't think Michele Mouton did Audi sales any harm either.

Possibly one reason for the lack of blacks in motorsport, is that if you grow up in a poor area of Kenya, it doesn't prevent you from becoming a great long distance runner - you can still train from an early age. But unless you have access to karts, or some form of car racing, it's difficult to progress to the next step.
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Old 24 Feb 2003, 19:34 (Ref:516397)   #5
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Regarding ethnic minorities, there are a whole plethera of socio/economic issues that we could go into, but probably best we didn't. Re: women, it's probably the same, atch. Plus which I am a firm beleiver that women are better than men at some things and vice versa. Women aren't great at judging distances or hand eye coordination - they were never the hunter-gatherers.

Feel free to rip me to shreds as you're probably right - I have just talked a load of balls!!
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Old 24 Feb 2003, 19:37 (Ref:516401)   #6
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Lewis Hamilton is probably the best prostect for the first Black F1 World Champion at the moment, he really is a rising star and has shown far more promise in Karts and the lower single seater formula than Button did.
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Welcome Daiboy ! Have fun posting in our friendly and family forum.

I understood the fun in your original title, but I decided to change it, because some people would consider it a little bit offensive.

Well, the explanation for this, at least in my country, is pretty much simple. Motorsport is a very expensive sport, and 95% of the black population here are from the lower classe, where the only chance to show up would be in colective spots like football, basketball and others.
For women, I reckon is more cultural than anything else, but there are many female drivers in various categories.
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The lower ranks of motorsport are full of 10-year old brats who have Daddies to fund their way. Fact of life.

It's just too expensive for people with talent and no dosh.
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Too true, that's the trouble with this sport, money can buy success. Just look at Alex Yoong .
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Possibly one reason for the lack of blacks in motorsport, is that if you grow up in a poor area of Kenya, it doesn't prevent you from becoming a great long distance runner - you can still train from an early age. But unless you have access to karts, or some form of car racing, it's difficult to progress to the next step. [/B]
I understannd what your saying, but there are tracks around some poor areas of the U.S. at least, for example:

Miami: Homestead / Hileah Speedways

New York: Lime Rock Park,CT

L.A.: Fontana

St. Louis: Gateway

Chicago: Chicagoland/ Chicago Motor Speedway

Some of these tracks have schools, Instead of 2 or 3 races out of the year.
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But how do you fund a car to race on them??
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Old 24 Feb 2003, 20:29 (Ref:516447)   #12
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Sponsors won't support them, they're not encourage to pursue motorsports at a young age, and let's face it, the best asset a racer can have is a father who raced!

And there are tracks most everywhere here, even if they're just little clay ovals at the county fairgrounds.

In oval racing, though, I think there is a strong element of blatant racism/sexism that at least isn't so overt in other forms of motorsport.

Dunno how any of this applies to Brazil or the UK... But in Brazil it's pretty obvious that those who can afford auto racing are of fairly pure Portugese descent, while the blacks there are disproportionatly impoverished.
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There are certainly non-whites racing (or have recently been) in formula one - Sato, for example, and strictly speacking, are south americans "white"?
There's a confusion about geographic location and ethinics groups. The asian countries have chineses,japaneses,koreans as a ethinic group coloured "yellow". In the case of South America it has been colonized by europeans and suffered heavy immigration from many countries and africans slavers. the mix of the races brought many "in-between" colors, but if you take the example of the brazilian drivers you'll find that they are all white descents from europeans like Barrichello, Fittipaldi, Zonta and Pizzonia (Italy), Bernoldi (Spain), Piquet and Senna (France). In the case of Pizzonia, altough he was born "in the jungle", their fathers were from São Paulo, where the Italian comunity is very big.
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Dunno how any of this applies to Brazil or the UK... But in Brazil it's pretty obvious that those who can afford auto racing are of fairly pure Portugese descent, while the blacks there are disproportionatly impoverished.
Lee, see my post above.
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Too true, that's the trouble with this sport, money can buy success. Just look at Alex Yoong .

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I like the topic. Thought of posting it qiute a few times but I feel that people would tend to walk on glass instead of speaking their minds concerning the topic.

Personally, I think that blacks are not in F1 because the sport does not cater to them. In the US the most popular form of auto racing is NASCAR. It may have had black participants but they were not very welcome in the earlier days. Even now there is nothing that really reaches out for the average black youth in the sport.

Also, economics is a huge factor. We can look at the sport of import racing for an example. There are many backs in the sport. At one time it did not cost a much to race. Now with manufacturer involvement and 100,000 dollar cars they have again began to recede and are being replaced by rich middle aged white men.

I think its a shame that the most popular form of motorsport does not include women and blacks. IMO an industry is nothing without diversity. Tennis has programs aimed at finding talent in poorer neighborhoods and with the so called "minorities". Maybe some other sports should follow the example.
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For the same reason you don't see many agressive female or black drivers on the road. It's not thier fote; it's certainly possible and most likely will happen sometime, but don't hold your breath. People are different; thats why we have this wonderfull variety.
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NASCAR and black people don't mix well according to this...

http://www.nascar.com/2003/news/head...lester_one.ap/

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Very interseting topic - nicely ties in with mine in the national and club forum.

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=32228

But I have to say you lot aint half spouted some silly thoerys as well as some good ones. Sponsors dream you may think but not many companies are willing to risk thier money on a black guy in a white mans sport and as things are motorsport is a white mans sport. Norman normal you chatting rubbish try taking a drive on the south circular on a friday night then you'll see some seriously aggressive black and female drivers.

If you ain't guessed I'm a black driver, so I do know a fair bit about the subject! In the UK there is a black middle class and generally speaking equality, I think in the USA this may be a different story after all remember what the american civil war was about. #
I was born into this middle class and yes motorsport takes a lot of time and money but we can afford it. Black people however don't know motorsport as something they can do because no governing body (in europe at least) has ever made the effort to encourage diversity. Read the current motorsport news and you'll find out what we are up to to remedy this. - note it shouldn't have to be done this way, sport is for all.

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and the original topic title was fine!!!
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That'll be you in the left then, I suppose?

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Anyone who says black American men aren't interested in cars really doesn't know. I've run into some guys at car shows who are _very_ involved in performance cars, both as status symbols and as all-out performance items.

The only way I can really see any getting into road racing, though, would be if some nuevo-riche entertainment moguls or athletes were to get actively involved in both promoting it in the black community, and in sponsoring promising young drivers. Urban karting programs would be a start (clear a parking lot, set up some haybales, and go at it). It'd be more productive than midnight basketball.

There was actually a great program out in LA in the late '60s of police-organized sanctioned drag racing. It did wonders to build bridges between minority youth and law enforcement (the LAPD actually had a car they hot-rodded and competed in!), and to reduce crime. But a bunch of upper-class limousine liberals stomped it out because it was supposedly encouraging youth to drive wrecklessly and pollute the air.

Skip ahead about 25 years, and LA has race riots and brutal abuses of police power on a fairly regular basis. Maybe they should have kept that program.
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That is the same here. I think there's plenty of untapped potential out there. Be it a black man or woman. In the US auto racing is still a niche sport. The sport really suffers because of it. I have faith that it will happen though. In American football it was thought that blacks were not able to lead a team. Now black quarterbacks are an asset. If F1 realizes how much money can be made by introducing their sport to another audience I think we will see more women in blacks in the sport. It may be a bit more difficult for women because there are not as many female F1 fans.

Also, I think a sport sometimes is a reflection of its fanbase. In countries like Hungary, Germany and Austria I really doubt there are very many blacks, not percentage wise anyway.

In Jamaica rallying has a good fanbase as well as drag racing. I feel it is inevitable for it to happen. It all depends on how long Bernie and the FIA see fit to ignore it.

I feel sport should be a forum that allows talent to shine above race, nationality and sex. If you can win, then you can bring money to the team. Its all about making money. In the end the only color that matters is green (in the US anyway).
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"In Jamaica rallying has a good fanbase as well as drag racing. I feel it is inevitable for it to happen. It all depends on how long Bernie and the FIA see fit to ignore it."
Having lived there for a year I can't understand why the world rally champion isn't Jamaican!

Have you also noticed there are virtually no black marshals either. (though the same is not true of women, there are many female marshals at all grades.)
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As far as to why there are no blacks in motor sports, as metioned several times before, it comes down to money. Auto racing is very very very very expensive, and if many minorities are at the bottom of the economic scale, then there will not be mush oppertunities for them. Hopefully sometime in the future there will be a Tiger Woods type of figure in racing to break down the doors and have success.

Why is there no lady drivers? Probably because racing is in a way a testosterone driven sport. What I mean by that is, well, when was the last time you saw a women driving like a lunatic trying to impress people? Also there is some sexism involved thus making it harder to break down the door. Then again maybe it is because it is very hard to talk on a cell and do your make up at over 200mph!
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