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10 Feb 2004, 17:56 (Ref:869682)
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Tracy and IROC
Robin Miller of Speed TV talks about Paul Tracy not being asked to race in IROC.
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10 Feb 2004, 17:59 (Ref:869685)
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The "I" and the "C" have taken on new meanings over the years, and that's a shame.
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10 Feb 2004, 18:33 (Ref:869735)
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IROC has been a sham for many years now anyway....
When it first started in the 1970s, they drove equally-prepared Porsce Carerras and Like Robin state, they ran a combo of road courses and ovals... The NAZ-CAW-WUHR guys were never even close to being in the hunt... somthing about turning right and driving a lighter, mid-rear engined car that took both skill and finesse just didn't seem to click with guys who have always "traded paint" and sometimes punted their faster competitors into the wall when they didn't have the speed to pass them fair and square on the track... Nowadays, the NAZ-CAW-WUHR Clique plays drafting partners with each other, and almost never step out of line to help anyone who is not one of "Theirs" to try to shut out the "infidels" from other Series.... I don't even bother to watch it anymore... Thus, I feel that Paul is better off NOT running in IROC...the deck is stacked and thus it won't give him the kind of payday that would make it worth his while... He's got nothing to prove to anyone in racing...his record speaks for itself.... It's IROC's loss, not P.T.'s....and it is obvious that they couldn't care less... So why lose sleep over it... |
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10 Feb 2004, 18:34 (Ref:869738)
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They may as well scrap IROC - it doesn't serve any point.
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10 Feb 2004, 18:47 (Ref:869747)
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IROC was something in the late 70's. Road and ovals, the best drivers from all disciplines. Good competetion, the money actually meant something to the drivers as well. I agree with the "who cares" now. I have not watched a lap in several years. PT should have been recognized by IROC, politics are in play. It is IROC's loss not PT's. Even with PT, I would have no interest.
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10 Feb 2004, 21:05 (Ref:869878)
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Mr. Signore's comment that Paul was not asked because they didn't know what CART's schedule looked like is a bogus argument. Because there was no schedule set it was a perfect time to secure Tracy for a ride. I would imagine that the ever present Tony George waved his finger "NO" on Paul getting a ride after the debacle at Indy and the Canadian's rock solid loyalty to CART over the years.
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10 Feb 2004, 21:42 (Ref:869919)
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IROC is a pathetic joke compared to what it once was. It's nothing but an excuse for NASCAB drivers to race in something else.
Don't worry about it PT. Just stick to what you know. 
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10 Feb 2004, 21:47 (Ref:869934)
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I doubt Tony George had ANYTHING to do with it...
I don't think that IROC is even returning to the Brickyard 400 weekend at IMS this August.... The excuse for not inviting Tracy given by the Mr. Signore is pretty bogus, but to tie this to the CART/OWRS' very own incarnation of the Anti-Christ seems absurd to me.... So...is he responsible for hiding Usama Bin Laden, too? There might have been politics going on with the ties via the ISC, but don't drag TG into this dart-throwing contest... I doubt he had any say in it at all...and why would he??? He doesn't run IROC and now doesn't have his facility tied to it... |
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10 Feb 2004, 22:10 (Ref:869969)
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Leave it to the road racers to turn an IROC thread into a NASCAR bash-fest.
Besides Tracy is "bored" (his own words) by ovals so he should consider it a blessing. That and the fact he'd have 11 guys trying to put him in the wall for 4 races. |
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10 Feb 2004, 22:35 (Ref:870016)
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The Toyota Celebrity Race has more prestige than IROC these days.
 
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10 Feb 2004, 23:13 (Ref:870051)
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11 Feb 2004, 00:14 (Ref:870110)
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Keep the cars. 1 Speedway 1 Short Oval 2 Road courses. NO STREET COURSES. Quote:
And in front of what exactly? The 12th place car?
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11 Feb 2004, 02:23 (Ref:870174)
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The best test for drivers from different disciplines is Michelin's Race of Champions. Something that Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon did rather well at. Something to chew on for the NASCAR bashers.
As for tracy being hated in NASCAR, I would like to see some quotes or links. Something to back this up as I have never heard of any such thing. Still it's pretty sad that we won't be able to see PT in an IROC car. It's always fun to see the truly good drivers perform outside of their established discipline. |
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A torrential afternoon practice session in Watkins Glen saw Villeneuve out-qualify everyone. By 11 seconds.Scheckter stated: "I scared myself rigid that day, I thought I had to be quickest. Then I saw Gilles's time and - I still don't really understand how it was possible. Eleven seconds !" |
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11 Feb 2004, 10:15 (Ref:870429)
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As far as I know the 2004 Champ Car schedule has yet to be fully confirmed, and do you have any idea how tough it is to work out a schedule for IROC that doesn't badly clash with the different championships involved? Probably not.
On a side note, you have no idea how much I felt like commenting on the state of some things in this Champ Car forum, but for the sake of peace, love and understanding in this world, I'm going to shut the hell up. |
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11 Feb 2004, 10:24 (Ref:870440)
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I'll probably get shot for making these points, but so be it.
Went to www.irocracing.com and looked up the history. In the last five years (2000-2004), only one then-CART driver -- Kenny Brack in 2001 -- has competed in the IROC series. I know a couple of reasons were scheduling conflicts and CART drivers turning down the offers. IROC's first race is Friday in Daytona, 48 hours from now. The schedule situation DOES play a part. IROC needed to name 12 drivers committed to the four-race series before Friday. There is no OWRS schedule. Could Tracy -- or any other driver in CART, for that matter -- guarantee that he wouldn't be in South Africa or Seoul for one of those weekends? |
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11 Feb 2004, 10:48 (Ref:870462)
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A torrential afternoon practice session in Watkins Glen saw Villeneuve out-qualify everyone. By 11 seconds.Scheckter stated: "I scared myself rigid that day, I thought I had to be quickest. Then I saw Gilles's time and - I still don't really understand how it was possible. Eleven seconds !" |
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11 Feb 2004, 11:18 (Ref:870496)
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May I ask why they couldnt have spoke to Paul regarding this issue earlier on in the piece., let him know their concerns before brushing him off. Does anyone know when the final driver line up was confirmed ?
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11 Feb 2004, 17:24 (Ref:870915)
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11 Feb 2004, 19:12 (Ref:871041)
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I'm not bashing NASCAR drivers...I'd match Tony Stewart or Jeff Gordon against any drivers in any series on any kind of course....
Give them the time to get acclimated to the cars they were racing with a few focused test sessions and they would be both fast and competitive.... But IROC...by racing on ovals only in heavier front-engined cars...and being stacked with NASCAR drivers who only draft and help each other (and I'll stand by that statement to the end --- I've watched a lot of IROC races in recent years) is a stacked deck.... It doesn't test the overall skills of the drivers and has become less and less important as a showcase series as the years have gone on... |
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11 Feb 2004, 23:56 (Ref:871347)
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I have a lot of respect for Stewart and Gordan, BUT: perhaps you could remind me where Stewart ended up when he ran the 2001 Indy 500 against what were at the time CART drivers?
 Personally I think if he was in IROC, PT would be the best driver participating. It bugs me that he was excluded on purpose, but he's got bigger fish to fry. |
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12 Feb 2004, 01:12 (Ref:871391)
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Jay Signore's got better drivers to invite than pander to a whiney, saved by his equipment hack regardless of what series he drives for. |
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12 Feb 2004, 01:22 (Ref:871399)
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You really have a hate on for the guy, huh! Regardless of your bias, I think PT's record speaks for itself and the IROC series could only benefit from his presence. IROC to maybe equal the playing field should invite an equal number of participants from each series. |
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A torrential afternoon practice session in Watkins Glen saw Villeneuve out-qualify everyone. By 11 seconds.Scheckter stated: "I scared myself rigid that day, I thought I had to be quickest. Then I saw Gilles's time and - I still don't really understand how it was possible. Eleven seconds !" |
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12 Feb 2004, 04:54 (Ref:871476)
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1998 was where it all went downhill. His tantrums with Green, his pathetic driving and his embarassing spin at California UNDER YELLOW. 1999 and 2000 were very sub-par years considering the team he was driving for and his teammates results. 2001, the endless whining about his unfair treatment at TKG and his shots at Dario. Probably his lowest season ever, including a career worst 14th in the standings. 2002. Now regardless of what actually happened at Indy doesn't need going into. Knowing the outcome was not in PT's favor, he could have just *shown* what he all told us: He didn't care. Instead he ranted and raved about it at every chance. He had t-shirts made about it, for christ sakes. If he really didn't care all he had to do was shut up and keep to what he likes to do. He didn't ever have to go back to Indy again. And he still brings it up to this day. Concerning his performance, in an already emaciated CART field, he still only managed 1 win and 4 podiums. 2003. When 90% of the major competition had been sucked from CART by the IRL or F1, only then could Tracy actually complete his championship run. All the while he was stomping the competition, he still ran his mouth and acted like a 17 year old at every chance. He couldn't even be respectful in, what was obviously, his most proud moment. I think somewhere toward the end of his run with Penske, he soured. Ever since then the P in PT hasn't stood for Paul, to me. |
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12 Feb 2004, 05:45 (Ref:871505)
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The only thing I found interesting in the story was how much importance PT places on money. Of course if you weren't an ideological stooge you'd have recognized that last year when PT took that big Player's contract.
That said he has a justifid beef. But then agian IROC is an ISC operation and CART/OWRS, to which Tracy is tied, has a very ugly public feud with CSC (an ISC subsidiary). So duh, of course he gets locked out. Politics (ISC) and Grand Standing (PT). Ho hum |
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