Rallycross v Formula One at Fastfest

bestrep · 2 Jul 2007, 19:39 (Ref:1952727)

I was at Fastfest yesterday to see the F1 v Rallycross head to head challenge. Derrick Jobb's Ford Escort looked fantastic with its new bodywork and colour scheme. Now in proper Tony Bardy Motorsport colours!!

In the head to head the Formula 1 car won by four tenths of a second. They use some sort of special glue on top of the tarmac surface, which meant that the Escort lost some of its advantage away from the startline due to traction problems. There was just way too much grip which was causing the car to bog down off the startline.

Tommi Walmsley, Andy Brinkley, Richard Wakeling's MG (driven by his engine builder), Paul Wakeling, Craig Popperwell, Neil Wade, Brian Wade and Terry Briggs also took part in the event representing rallycross on 'the strip' and on the open championship stand.

shhh · 3 Jul 2007, 06:48 (Ref:1953055)

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winnie · 3 Jul 2007, 16:03 (Ref:1953510)

I'm sure the Escort would have been much closer (or even beaten the F1) if it was running in original spec without the restrictor and another 150bhp. Can't believe the Escort is still on the pace - it must be at least 10 years old. The car also runs very primitive but reliable rear axle!

silver bullet · 3 Jul 2007, 18:46 (Ref:1953620)

I have to agree. that Escort had to be one of the quickest cars away from the startline, when John Haffey had it.
Mind you it occasionally left it's transmission, in a heap on the floor in those days

mivec · 4 Jul 2007, 10:18 (Ref:1954057)

Any times?

**BertMk2** · 4 Jul 2007, 10:49 (Ref:1954066)

The head to head looks like this:

Distance	F1	RX
60 ft	2.1062	1.9509
330 ft	5.0859	5.1607
1.8 mile	7.5131	7.7019
1000 ft	9.5141	9.8128
1/4 mile	11.2919	11.7246

All times in seconds.

Thundersports · 4 Jul 2007, 15:32 (Ref:1954304)

In defence of the F1 Jordan it is also 10/11 years old and not running the horsepower it would have done when it was current.
Pleased it was close as I don't think either deserved to lose.

jodie H · 6 Jul 2007, 17:14 (Ref:1956370)

Hi there,

I was the driver of the F1 car. Hope you all had a great time!!

We honestly thought the rally car would beat us, but as he suffered from lack of traction so did we....We struggled off the start big time!! have any of you seen the videos on youtube??? There are some of that awesome jet car!!

Gnomex · 6 Jul 2007, 17:46 (Ref:1956392)

Do you know where to find your head to head on youtube?

jodie H · 6 Jul 2007, 18:13 (Ref:1956429)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDfSQYu6qzg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eq1RduQ__4

jodie H · 6 Jul 2007, 18:14 (Ref:1956431)

We were not allowed to compete together due to saftey reasons when I crossed the line then the rally car went

chris cake · 6 Jul 2007, 19:06 (Ref:1956489)

Hi Jodie
Yes you struggled big time off the line with lack of traction !!!
As for our Rallycross car ,Derrick just had to much grip and bogged down and thats no mean feat to kill 500 + HP !
Glad you managed to do some runs after all the problems you had ! Hope we can do it again hopefully when its drier!

chunder · 7 Jul 2007, 09:15 (Ref:1956742)

Is an intersting point about grip coz in drag racing the big teams race on traction compund on the surface.
Having walked over the Pod asphalt once, I can tell you the surface is somewhat akin to sponge, amazing that vehicles of any type cant get grip on that.

I know you are awrned at Run What you Brungs to not be too fierce at the start as you will break trannys in standad cars!

Interetsing to note then that both these cars were struggling, wonder of the compound had been affected by weather??

BTW, without the compund a lot of the quick times would not be able to be run, the big cars simply have so much power even they would struggle to dial in to basic asphalt, the tracks in the US are coated in this stuff too.

chris cake · 7 Jul 2007, 10:36 (Ref:1956776)

It was last weekend !!! Gives of a nice sweet smell to !!!

DCS · 9 Jul 2007, 21:35 (Ref:1959093)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BertMk2

The head to head looks like this:

Distance	F1	RX
60 ft	2.1062	1.9509
330 ft	5.0859	5.1607
1.8 mile	7.5131	7.7019
1000 ft	9.5141	9.8128
1/4 mile	11.2919	11.7246

All times in seconds.

I was expecting the first part of the 1/4 to be equal or in favour for the RC. But I was expecting the F1 would have a much bigger edge in the second part of the 1/4. Especially top end at the finish line... I think the 1/4 time for the RC is pretty good, as it must be running out half way...

I think a non restricted RC (like Per's Pikes Peak 9-3) would have similar 60 and 330 ft, but better 1/8 mile.

It is kind of amazing the are semi track / road cars that will beat that F1 with ease... The Swedish Manta with Volvo engine does similar, Skylines and Supra's do even better!

It makes you wonder there are lo