TC2000: 2009 Season Topic

[FIRE]

Will there be new manufacturers next season? Earlier this year there were rumors about Citroen with their C4 and FIAT (Punto?).

[THIM]

Ford, although not factory, in BTCC:

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=2967

If Fiat joined, it would be rather Bravo - better aerodynamics. But I can't see it - they have rally project.

[Bramzel]

I think he means this TC2000 Thim http://www.tc2000.com.ar

[werner]

[Pietje precies mode on*] Stricktly speaking the Argentine serie doesn't belong in the WTCC and European touringcarforum. Isn't there a part of this forum made for Sout American racing?
[Pietje precies mode of]

* Fire know's what this means

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by werner

[Pietje precies mode on*] Stricktly speaking the Argentine serie doesn't belong in the WTCC and European touringcarforum. Isn't there a part of this forum made for Sout American racing?
[Pietje precies mode of]

* Fire know's what this means

You are not right:

WTCC & European Touring Car Series
Discussion on the re-born FIA World Touring Car Championship, through to the ever popular British, Swedish, and DTM championships, as well as all other European & American series

Source: http://tentenths.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=45

[touringlegend]

There is so little traffic on American series such as the TC2000 that is why the forum is simply named WTCC & European Touring Car Series - with the expansion below as FIRE has pointed out.

Of course we are always open to new suggestions but please PM us with those, please keep this on topic.

[werner]

[Fernando_S]

There are rumors about the series adopting a single engine (Mazda, tuned by Oreste Berta) in order to cut costs. In the other hand, Esteban Tuero's comeback to the series is going to be with a Peugeot 307 saloon.

More rumors says that the title winning team (Victor Rosso and Leonardo Monti's RAMS) is going to have two privater Honda Civic for Jose Maria Lopez and Juan Manuel Silva (Honda is quitting the series as works team because of the single engine thing) and two works Peugeot 2007.

The works Chevrolet Team is no more run by Pro Racing. It switched to JP Racing.

[10tacle]

thanks a lot for this information! What is about the FIAT Rumour? Will they enter the series?
Any information about how to watch the Series live in Europe? Stream or something to come!?

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by 10tacle

thanks a lot for this information! What is about the FIAT Rumour? Will they enter the series?
Any information about how to watch the Series live in Europe? Stream or something to come!?

There will be a FIAT Linea series in 2009. It's a TC2000 support series. So no FIAT TC2000 entry.

http://www.tc2000.com.ar/noticias_ingles.php?id=230

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Fernando_S

There are rumors about the series adopting a single engine (Mazda, tuned by Oreste Berta) in order to cut costs. In the other hand, Esteban Tuero's comeback to the series is going to be with a Peugeot 307 saloon.

More rumors says that the title winning team (Victor Rosso and Leonardo Monti's RAMS) is going to have two privater Honda Civic for Jose Maria Lopez and Juan Manuel Silva (Honda is quitting the series as works team because of the single engine thing) and two works Peugeot 2007.

The works Chevrolet Team is no more run by Pro Racing. It switched to JP Racing.

Why switching to a single make engine? The series looks healthy to me (Full grids and official involvement of Honda, Ford, Chevrolet and Toyota).

Peugeot entry is full factory team?

Thanks for the info.

[Fernando_S]

Altough the official confirmation about switching to the Berta tunned Mazda Engines has not been done, there is several rumors saying it's almost a done deal.

Tuero's 307 is a private, but the ones by Victor Rosso's Team would be works.

The reason for the engine change is that getting a good engine required going to european tunners like Spiess, Sodemo or Neil Brown, wich is too expensive for privaters and even for full factory teams, given the tough situation of the global economy.

As soon as I get any official statements, I''ll post it here.

[Fernando_S]

Originally Posted by 10tacle

thanks a lot for this information! What is about the FIAT Rumour? Will they enter the series?
Any information about how to watch the Series live in Europe? Stream or something to come!?

The rumor indicates that the Fiat team would be run by Pro Racing, the team that run the works Chevrolet teams since 2003, and won 3 championships (one with Cristian Ledesma, and two with Matias Rossi). There is no official word about it, tough.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Fernando_S

The reason for the engine change is that getting a good engine required going to european tunners like Spiess, Sodemo or Neil Brown, wich is too expensive for privaters and even for full factory teams, given the tough situation of the global economy.

I understand but if that means manufacturers leave TC2000 I am not sure that's the way to go.

What's more pupular, TC2000 or TC?

[10tacle]

I didn't catch the sentence. The works Peugeot und Chevrolet should use a Honda unified motor!?

Nice to have an Argentinean in place, you guys are totally crazy if i see the half million people in Buenos Aires watching the DAKAR

[Fernando_S]

Originally Posted by 10tacle

I didn't catch the sentence. The works Peugeot und Chevrolet should use a Honda unified motor!?

Nice to have an Argentinean in place, you guys are totally crazy if i see the half million people in Buenos Aires watching the DAKAR

Sorry for my english, I don't practice a lot, to be honest. I'll try to explain more clearly: it seems like the whole series is going to use the Mazda engine, in order to cut the engine cost down (they'll be tuned by Oreste Berta, who is responsable for the Ford works team engines). Until 2008 season, all the cars were equiped with its own manofacturer engine, but as I said before, that kind of engines are very expensive for the reality of the argentinean economy.

[Fernando_S]

Originally Posted by FIRE

I understand but if that means manufacturers leave TC2000 I am not sure that's the way to go.

What's more pupular, TC2000 or TC?

TC is the most popular series based in the attendance to the races, but for no reason but nostalgia. The cars are silhouettes that barely resembles 60's cars like Chevrolet Coupe, Ford Falcon, Dodge Coupe and Torino (the last two, uses a Cherokee 6 in line engine).

TC2000 is the most professional and technically advanced series in Argentina.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Fernando_S

TC is the most popular series based in the attendance to the races, but for no reason but nostalgia. The cars are silhouettes that barely resembles 60's cars like Chevrolet Coupe, Ford Falcon, Dodge Coupe and Torino (the last two, uses a Cherokee 6 in line engine).

TC2000 is the most professional and technically advanced series in Argentina.

Both series are great but in my opinion TC2000 has the best racing.

[10tacle]

I can't imagine that a manufacture will put a engine from an other manufacture in his car. Peugeot or Chevy with Honda engine as a works entry :/
Sure the costs are a big topic in all series today, but this idea makes no sense to me. It's the first step to an one-make cup!?

Lets ban the worksteams, only privat teams allowed an the manufactures sold their stuff to them. If one is to expensive you switch to another.

Other Question. Is there a way to look the series over the internet? Wich channel will the series broadcast, maybe its possible with TVU, TVAnts or something.

[Speed-King]

I can't imagine that a manufacture will put a engine from an other manufacture in his car. Peugeot or Chevy with Honda engine as a works entry :/

It already happens in the Stockcar Brazil Series....

[10tacle]

You mean Stockcar Brasil or Copa Nextel. I thought Stockcar Brasil is a one-make cup with Chevrolet Astras!?

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by 10tacle

You mean Stockcar Brasil or Copa Nextel. I thought Stockcar Brasil is a one-make cup with Chevrolet Astras!?

They started as that, but they later added Silhouettes of Peugeots and Mitsubishis and maybe also VWs...

[Fernando_S]

Originally Posted by 10tacle

I can't imagine that a manufacture will put a engine from an other manufacture in his car. Peugeot or Chevy with Honda engine as a works entry :/
Sure the costs are a big topic in all series today, but this idea makes no sense to me. It's the first step to an one-make cup!?

Lets ban the worksteams, only privat teams allowed an the manufactures sold their stuff to them. If one is to expensive you switch to another.

Other Question. Is there a way to look the series over the internet? Wich channel will the series broadcast, maybe its possible with TVU, TVAnts or something.

I totally agree with you, I'd rather prefer TC2000 to use national 2.0L engines that even exists! in another series called TN (only Toyota doesn't have an engine in that series): each car with an engine from its maker, not a common one.

About the other question, try searching some stream from TyC Sports, TyC Max or Canal 13, all from Argentina.

[Matt]

I just have to say, the TC cars sound a LOT better than the TC2000 cars. That Santa Fe street course just looks REAL dangerous, haha.

[Fernando_S]

Originally Posted by Matt

I just have to say, the TC cars sound a LOT better than the TC2000 cars. That Santa Fe street course just looks REAL dangerous, haha.

Maybe, but from a technical point of view, TC is horrible, and I must say that the rules are bent sometimes (at least one can be suspicious quite often), which doesn't happen in TC2000. The TC cars are simply awful.

The Santa Fe road course is too narrow, is almost imposible to overtake, but it has been a total success respect to the people attendance.