LM24 F1 attacks Le Mans

johntt · 16 Jun 2008, 16:49 (Ref:2230194)

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/...1.1-282919.php

F1 gets a bit insecure about the growing appeal and relevancy of sportscar racing and the potential threat posed by the EVO rules.

Ron Dennis should know better. It is a race for the whole 24 hours, its a 24 hour sprint. The only difference is that you dont make so many risky manouvers.

Same goes for Ross Brawn. Pacing yourself? Back in the 80's that was true of LM. Like eveyone says, its a 24 hour sprint.

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Robert Kubica, a driver at the BMW Sauber team, who won the Canadian Grand Prix last Sunday, said that he had never even watched Le Mans on television. He said he did not like that so much depended on car consistency and reliability.

"Speed is secondary," he said. "I'm the kind of person who likes to push. At Le Mans, you have to push less. It's a kind of different sport."

Kubica is just stupid and ignorant here. Maybe he should have come over and watched the race on his weekend off.

johntt · 16 Jun 2008, 16:55 (Ref:2230201)

Wrong forum. Can one of the mods please move to the Sportscar forum?

dxk1 · 16 Jun 2008, 17:40 (Ref:2230245)

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Originally Posted by johntt

Kubica is just stupid and ignorant here. Maybe he should have come over and watched the race on his weekend off.

Kubica needs to get in a sports car and have McNish and Kristensen and a few of the boys blow by him a few times so he gets educated.

DK

zac510 · 16 Jun 2008, 17:54 (Ref:2230254)

F1 cars pace themselves at the end of races quite often these days..!

I don't really see it as F1 attacking Le Mans. Your thread title is more sensationalist than that article.

johntt · 16 Jun 2008, 18:38 (Ref:2230285)

As someone else has pointed out, its all very coordinated and somewhat reminiscent of the attacks on CART in the last 1990s.

V8thunderfan · 16 Jun 2008, 19:27 (Ref:2230322)

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Originally Posted by johntt

"He said he did not like that so much depended on car consistency and reliability."

Did he not just win a grand prix last week by being consistant and not crashing into stationary cars in the pit lane???

johntt · 16 Jun 2008, 19:56 (Ref:2230352)

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Originally Posted by V8thunderfan

Did he not just win a grand prix last week by being consistant and not crashing into stationary cars in the pit lane???

I do believe he did.

the sniper · 16 Jun 2008, 19:59 (Ref:2230353)

I thought the EVO rules had been dropped

TRuss · 16 Jun 2008, 20:09 (Ref:2230362)

They haven't been dropped, but they haven't been written in the rule book either. Kind of a limbo.

The359 · 16 Jun 2008, 20:53 (Ref:2230406)

There's usually an F1 race on Le Mans weekend, and I'm sure Kubica had races before he was in F1 on the same weekend. If he's not interested, why should he take the time to watch it, even if he's not busy?

Le Mans is not a sprint all the time.

deggis · 16 Jun 2008, 21:23 (Ref:2230426)

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Originally Posted by johntt

Same goes for Ross Brawn. Pacing yourself? Back in the 80's that was true of LM. Like eveyone says, its a 24 hour sprint.

Read the other comment from Brawn. He's been there himself too.

Imho that "24 hour sprint" is more of a saying than true. Super reliable diesels have proven you can run flat out 24 hours, but they don't because it's very very risky.

But from some of those comments you can read between the lines odd dislike, which is interesting from such persons.

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deggis · 16 Jun 2008, 21:41 (Ref:2230437)

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Originally Posted by The359

There's usually an F1 race on Le Mans weekend, and I'm sure Kubica had races before he was in F1 on the same weekend. If he's not interested, why should he take the time to watch it, even if he's not busy?

True. They don't care and they don't have time. Hell, Kimi Raikkonen didn't even know about the Q3 rule change that happened after Malaysian GP... and that's much more relevant than watching Indy 500 is for Allan McNish.

And it was great that there was no F1 GP clash this time (don't know about next year as F1 calendar is not yet locked, hopefully not!). It was reported there were a lot more reporters in Le Mans that would normally be reporting about F1 GP.

mattcat · 16 Jun 2008, 22:20 (Ref:2230455)

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Originally Posted by johntt

Kubica is just stupid and ignorant here. Maybe he should have come over and watched the race on his weekend off.

I think that might be a bit harsh. Kubica prefers a different type of racing. LM is not an all out sprint, F1 races are until the victory has been more or less assured. Just because he'd rather push to the absoulte limit for an hour and a half instead of just under the limit for 24 doesn't make him an idiot...

Dario911 · 16 Jun 2008, 23:06 (Ref:2230468)

If a chicken could speak, it would say more intelligent things than kubica and all the others formula 1 establishment members.
They are only interested to money and business. Nothing else. Spy stories, thieves... You can't find anything of this in the Endurance.
Here you can find only the real motorsport essence: courage, greatful drivers, cars and teams, wonderful races and fair play.
They afraid for endurance rebirth, because they know all this. They know endurance is better than their false, dirty world.

Dario911 · 16 Jun 2008, 23:10 (Ref:2230471)

On the same car, McNish or Minassian would beat up without any problem the polish flying chicken kubica...
Sorry, Mr.Chicken... your ignorance is greater than all the distance run by Audi in the last Le Mans...

Dead-Eye · 16 Jun 2008, 23:36 (Ref:2230474)

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Originally Posted by Dario911

On the same car, McNish or Minassian would beat up without any problem the polish flying chicken kubica...

On the same LMP car. Put them in the F1 BMW and see what happens

1969MGCGTdriver · 16 Jun 2008, 23:43 (Ref:2230477)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

On the same LMP car. Put them in the F1 BMW and see what happens

Nothing would happen. We all know there is no passing in F1.

Nordic · 17 Jun 2008, 07:18 (Ref:2230585)

Jackie Stewart expressed the same comments as Kubica in his book, but at least he gave it go.

Stirling Moss I think has also said stuff along the same lines in the past.

werner · 17 Jun 2008, 07:48 (Ref:2230601)

How about a Ferrari F430 and a BMW M3 next year in GT2, with drivers in the Ferrari M Schumacher, K Raikonen and F Massa, and in the BMW R Kubica, N Heidfeld and M Asmer.

chewymonster · 17 Jun 2008, 09:01 (Ref:2230639)

I think it's taking it a little too far to say that F1 drivers wouldn't perform well at Le Mans. The F1 drivers @ Le Mans are ones that had only very little sucess in F1, for the most part.

I think the battle for the overall win (and likely for the classes) took quick laps. Only in the last hour or two, did TK have some laps when he probably took it a little easier not to have a silly mistake.

Dunlop Corner · 17 Jun 2008, 09:17 (Ref:2230659)

Come to think of it, who is the last driver that have raced at Le Mans while doing F1 that year?
My guess is Irvine in 1994. Anyone more recent?

Stefvh · 17 Jun 2008, 09:50 (Ref:2230677)

Montagny in 2006.

gwyllion · 17 Jun 2008, 09:53 (Ref:2230679)

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Originally Posted by Stefvh

Montagny in 2006.

Wasn't he a test driver? That does not count

zac510 · 17 Jun 2008, 10:18 (Ref:2230688)

Montagny did some races (not a whole season) one year for SA, that must have been 2006.

Le Vieux · 17 Jun 2008, 11:01 (Ref:2230711)

Le Mans and F1 both involve vehicles with an engine and wheels.

Cheapo beefburgers (just) and fillet steak both involve cows.

Beefburgers aren't meat; F1 isn't motor racing.

I'll stick to my fillet steak and LM

Please keep F1 people out of LM

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