Tech Issue FIA Environmentally sustainable Motor Sport Policy

Marbot · 22 Oct 2009, 00:41 (Ref:2566753)

The FIA have released some details of what we are likely to expect from the new generation of engine(s).

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...env_sus_ms.pdf

grantp · 22 Oct 2009, 01:09 (Ref:2566760)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

The FIA have released some details of what we are likely to expect from the new generation of engine(s).

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...env_sus_ms.pdf

Looks like it stretches a bit further than just 'engines'.

V8 Fireworks · 22 Oct 2009, 06:19 (Ref:2566844)

Hopefully regs are COMPLETELY free apart from amount of energy: X joules

Electric & petrol? sure. Rocket powered? sure. Turboprop? sure Rotary? yep Diesel? sure Pure electric? sure Any and every combination of engine/rockets (!) and type of fuel/battery should be allowed.

I supposed for the sake of anti-proliferation, nuclear powered F1 cars would have to be banned, but regulations that are otherwise free would be most terrific

johntt · 22 Oct 2009, 07:52 (Ref:2566883)

It looks like a great idea. This is what racing should be about - innovation!

Marbot · 22 Oct 2009, 08:03 (Ref:2566891)

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Originally Posted by grantp

Looks like it stretches a bit further than just 'engines'.

....and fuels.

I'm not so sure that we're going to end up with a whole lot of different engines running on different fuels.Simulations and researching will put paid to that.

Pingguest · 22 Oct 2009, 08:42 (Ref:2566919)

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....and fuels.

I'm not so sure that we're going to end up with a whole lot of different engines running on different fuels.Simulations and researching will put paid to that.

I'm not sure on those simulations. Any way, would it be bad if engine manufactures end up with more or less the same engine configuration through development? At least it'd be much better than enforcement through regulations.

Marbot · 22 Oct 2009, 08:54 (Ref:2566925)

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I'm not sure on those simulations. Any way, would it be bad if engine manufactures end up with more or less the same engine configuration through development? At least it'd be much better than enforcement through regulations.

The teams won't have nearly as much money to spend on R&D as they used to have,so any hope we had of manufacturers coming up with different solutions to a similar problem is just not going to happen.

What will probably happen is that the technical working group will get together and decide on which is the best path to take.Not ideal,but the aim of F1 now is to stay alive.

JamesH · 22 Oct 2009, 13:39 (Ref:2567110)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Hopefully regs are COMPLETELY free apart from amount of energy: X joules

Electric & petrol? sure. Rocket powered? sure. Turboprop? sure Rotary? yep Diesel? sure Pure electric? sure Any and every combination of engine/rockets (!) and type of fuel/battery should be allowed.

I supposed for the sake of anti-proliferation, nuclear powered F1 cars would have to be banned, but regulations that are otherwise free would be most terrific

Rockets are no good - they are only efficient/effective at high speeds.

Sorry.....

safc_fan89 · 22 Oct 2009, 16:39 (Ref:2567227)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

The teams won't have nearly as much money to spend on R&D as they used to have,so any hope we had of manufacturers coming up with different solutions to a similar problem is just not going to happen.

What will probably happen is that the technical working group will get together and decide on which is the best path to take.Not ideal,but the aim of F1 now is to stay alive.

I thought it had already died...what we have now is barely F1...more like GP2 with slightly different aero variations.

Marbot · 22 Oct 2009, 16:57 (Ref:2567240)

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I thought it had already died...what we have now is barely F1...more like GP2 with slightly different aero variations.

Unfortunately "different" costs money,and F1 will always be F1 regardless of the regulations.

neiltb · 22 Oct 2009, 19:26 (Ref:2567387)

I like it. fuel samples to ensure no 'special fuels', flow limiting devices in the fuel delivery system and fuses in the lines to the motors, would you use a clutch on a flywheel to stop too much energy being delivered?. I see motor sporst planting lots of trees for the carbon neutral bit.

grantp · 22 Oct 2009, 20:17 (Ref:2567419)

Whilst the content will presumably apply to F1 there was nothing in the document as far as I could see that suggested it applied only to F1.

The phrase 'Motor Sport' appeared in many places so this seems to be an outline document to shape the future of all aspects of all motorsport over which the FIA has any influence.

Pingguest · 23 Oct 2009, 08:28 (Ref:2567714)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

The teams won't have nearly as much money to spend on R&D as they used to have,so any hope we had of manufacturers coming up with different solutions to a similar problem is just not going to happen.

But that's hardly a justification for legal enforcement. Facts don't tell us any norms.

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What will probably happen is that the technical working group will get together and decide on which is the best path to take.Not ideal,but the aim of F1 now is to stay alive.

Formula 1 always survived because of technical innovations and diversity, not despite of that. Because the best path yet unknown, the TWG is very likely to get it wrong and hence make manufactures to waste money.

Marbot · 23 Oct 2009, 08:53 (Ref:2567730)

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Formula 1 always survived because of technical innovations and diversity, not despite of that.

Formula 1 isn't still here because it's technically innovative.It's still here because it's called Formula 1.

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Because the best path yet unknown, the TWG is very likely to get it wrong and hence make manufactures to waste money.

Perhaps the best path is to use electric motors,at least then we'd be in for a quiet afternoon.

Pingguest · 23 Oct 2009, 09:23 (Ref:2567755)

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Formula 1 isn't still here because it's technically innovative.It's still here because it's called Formula 1.

You should know that Formula 1 is more than just a name.

Marbot · 23 Oct 2009, 09:33 (Ref:2567763)

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You should know that Formula 1 is more than just a name.

If you started another series that had limitless budgets (if that were possible),used every technological advancement known to man,and you didn't call it 'F1',it would be over and done with before you could say 'Cosworth DFV'.

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