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16 Jun 2011, 13:55 (Ref:2900267)
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The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga
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Toyota testing Dome built open LMP1 - Autosport print ed. Anyone got any more info on this exciting news ? |
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16 Jun 2011, 13:57 (Ref:2900269)
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16 Jun 2011, 14:06 (Ref:2900274)
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@gustavobamba: In fact you posted twice:
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...94#post2900094 http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...95#post2900095 |
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16 Jun 2011, 14:28 (Ref:2900290)
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Thanks  By the way do you think that Toyota will appear next year??? For me they just appear in 2013/14 |
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16 Jun 2011, 14:48 (Ref:2900298)
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Open topped is not the correct answer for the current regulations.
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16 Jun 2011, 16:07 (Ref:2900341)
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Would have prefered it was the S102 Coupé
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16 Jun 2011, 16:58 (Ref:2900361)
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It doesn't say whether the car is open or closed.
They tested the open S101, using a V8TT and hybrid system, in 2008. Then they commissioned and monitered the coupe S102, now they are testing a 2011 hybrid, possibly using a 2.0T. The new car has already been inspected by the ACO and expected to race within two years. They're also testing a GTE mule based on the LFA, aimed at customers, developed in Cologne. Last edited by JAG; 16 Jun 2011 at 17:23. |
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16 Jun 2011, 17:12 (Ref:2900378)
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Engine testing in a S101.5 or S102?
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16 Jun 2011, 17:16 (Ref:2900381)
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S101.5, but that was 2008.
If I'm reading it right, they're now testing an all new car, after monitering the performance of the S102. I don't have the magazine in front of me but I think it said TMG are running the car. The project go-ahead was delayed because of the earthquake. Last edited by JAG; 16 Jun 2011 at 17:26. |
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16 Jun 2011, 17:27 (Ref:2900389)
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So, a Toyota S103???
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16 Jun 2011, 17:35 (Ref:2900399)
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Looks like it, I assume Dome and TMG are working together, with TMG also working on a GTE.
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16 Jun 2011, 17:48 (Ref:2900413)
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I'd like to see these projects, any photos or just print? The LFA in GTE is just as exciting. I'm hoping the LMP project is a coupe, I can't imagine why it wouldn't be.
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16 Jun 2011, 17:59 (Ref:2900425)
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If it proves to be a match for Pug & Audi ..... if it happens ..... Im delighted its an open topper . All you guys want to see is coupe's ..... what about variety !!! |
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16 Jun 2011, 18:01 (Ref:2900426)
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Above is the quote taken from Mariantic , but I dont have access to Autosport , which I assume you have . |
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16 Jun 2011, 18:11 (Ref:2900442)
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I think most of the poster's concerns are over the competitiveness of open-top cars. I wouldn't mind a variety, but apparently they're not competitive for a reason other than none of them have factory diesels in the back.
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16 Jun 2011, 18:21 (Ref:2900450)
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It also says that some sources say the engine is not related to the current unit in the Rebellion car and it may be an all new 2 litre turbocharged unit. It suggests they had been gearing up for an entry in 2012 but this may have been delayed following the earthquake. The articles also quotes the ACO in saying that they are in touch with 4 new manufacturers interested in LMP1 including some big ones and some small ones. |
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16 Jun 2011, 18:22 (Ref:2900453)
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16 Jun 2011, 18:41 (Ref:2900467)
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So they tested an older type engine configuration with the open car, then this possible new engine configuration with the hybrid in a coupe?
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16 Jun 2011, 19:16 (Ref:2900499)
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This is good news, lets all hope something comes through. I hope Dome and Toyota start back where they left off from the S102, a new 2.0T + hybrid drivetrain and styling by Dome... Good Stuff...
The S102 should have never been retired, it showed too much promise to not continue to the next step. Now if someone can also throw some $$$ towards Epsilon or Embassy and the factorys will have someone to be afraid of... |
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16 Jun 2011, 20:59 (Ref:2900560)
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Needless to say I was very happy when I got home from work and opened the mag up to see this. Maybe people will be less willing to buy into the 'TMG' smokescreen now, albeit we are seeing two different strands of development.
It will be interesting as to where this leaves Rebellion down the line. |
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16 Jun 2011, 23:42 (Ref:2900645)
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* according to the leaked minutes on mulsannescorner.com |
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17 Jun 2011, 00:54 (Ref:2900662)
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If it's true that it was planned for 2012 but delayed by the earthquake maybe a first appearance post LM 2012 with a serious effort for 2013 would be realistic.
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17 Jun 2011, 07:04 (Ref:2900742)
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To me it reads like Toyota are providing customer engines for the Lola chassis and are developing their own car.s |
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17 Jun 2011, 15:35 (Ref:2900988)
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Some more info, well probably not more: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92396
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17 Jun 2011, 18:08 (Ref:2901063)
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Come on Toyota! These rumours have been about for years!
Its good news anyway, as well as the potential of there being more manufacturers. We currently have Audi, Peugeot and Aston Martin. Honda will be back, wherever Toyota go, they follow (and vice versa). Nissan are rumoured to be getting involved as well. As much as I like the mix of open and closed cars, le mans this year really did demonstrate the safety of coupes. Apart from safety reasons, mandating closed cars would also help differentiate sportscars from other forms of racing. |
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