Minardi's V10

[Marbot]

Just a thought.Since Minardi will be the only ones using a restricted V10 next year i was wondering by how much it will be restricted in comparison to the V8s?
Will Minardi still be 4 seconds a lap slower than everyone else because their V10 produces about the same power?
Or will they be allowed to compete on lap times alone by having an engine that produces more power?
Will it be better to have a V8 at some races as opposed to a V10 and vice versa?

[Kicking-back]

No.

The V10 will be restricted so it does not produce more power than a V8.

[shiny side up!]

If they do anything besides restrict it on some sort of power basis it is going to be horrible.

If it was on purely lap time, then they could have a totally uncompetitive chassis (I know, takes a lot of imagination! ) but still run well because of the engine... so either it has to be restricted to a certain power limit dreamt up by the technical working group, or it has to be some percentage of the best engine or average engine or something...

What a mess it is to have 2 different engine formulas. Trully, they must somehow penalize use of a V10... can you imagine the sh-tfit that Midland or BMWauber or FerRed Bull would throw if Minardi is able to beat them consistently just because they are using "outdated" V10s???

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

No.

The V10 will be restricted so it does not produce more power than a V8.

But it will have more torque (25%) and being detuned will make it more torquey anyway.

And no more power than whose V8?

[JeremySmith]

I just does not make sense to me, if the rules call for V8 power for 2006, so be it.. No de-tuned V10's very silly idea.

[Sultan]

No different to the old days of turboed 4/6/V8's vs naturally aspirated V8/V10/V12's....

Ahhh variety is the spice of life....

[FPV GTHO]

The capacity was dropped 20% in an effort to get similar power drops, so i'd imagine that the rev limiting would be simply something to reflect that, perhaps to the tune of around 5000rpm in comparison? That would make the 20K V8's against the 15K V10

[Marbot]

Looks like Minardi will at least have a reliable engine,while everyone else are still sorting out their gremlins.So you never know,if Minardi build a solid reliable car,points could be a possibility.

[Dutton]

I am not convinced the V8's will have that much in they way of unreliability issues, given how long they have been working on them.

[Kicking-back]

Running the V10 will not be allowed to be an advantage, I'm sure.

[Knowlesy]

If it was, everyone would go that route....

[Hazza]

If they can just Rev-limit the V10s to slow them down why couldn't they have done that instead of the V8s?

[GolddustMini]

because then the designers would start to redesign the engines to perform better with the restricted rpm...... costing millions....

whereas with v8's the designers will produce new designs for v8's.... costing millions...


which is in some way supposed to save money.... yeh im bemused by it as well

[Adam43]

Saving money. They'd spend it anyway! Saving money isn't about saving it for the engine manufacturers it is about saving it for the small teams. All the manufacturers are developing V8s - that shows us something.

However let us forget this irrelevance. I am looing forward to a new aspect of F1 design - a new engine configuration. A change is as good as. Who will do it best?

Back to the topic in hand. I can see Minardi getting the odd chance at a performance gain from the engine, but it will not be allowed to be overly competitive.

[richard_sykes]

Cant they just take two pistions out and cut the block a bit ?

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by richard_sykes

Cant they just take two pistions out and cut the block a bit ?

I am no engine designer however "harmonically" I just don't think that would work. One of the more expert members will fill us in I am sure.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by richard_sykes

Cant they just take two pistions out and cut the block a bit ?

If they want a pants engine, yes.

[Nicholosophy]

Originally Posted by richard_sykes

Cant they just take two pistions out and cut the block a bit ?

Even though that wouldn't work...

The reason Minardi are sticking with the V10 next year is because of their new chassis which they revealed in round 5. Minardi, being as underfunded as they are, cannot afford to produce a new chassis every year. Since they needed this year's chassis to be able to hold a V10, and it wouldn't be sound to try and fit a V8 onto the current chassis from a performance view, they've decided to go down the reduced-power V10 route for this year.

I think it makes sense for them. Hopefully in 2006 some manufacturer will come along and save Minardi and then it won't be an issue.

Also in reports today, pink, curly tailed objects screaming "Oink!" were seen above Minardi's base in Italy.

[GolddustMini]

Originally Posted by richard_sykes

Cant they just take two pistions out and cut the block a bit ?

for that you'd need a new crank, block head, cams, sump, all would need to be redesigned.... guess what you've got then, yeh its a new v8


you cant just cut it up with an anglegrinder and hope for the best

[lookleft]

Jessie can...

[Raglanparade]

hmmm... would a Minardi with an extra 100hp really be competitive ?

[richard_sykes]

Was a joke, just for reference :|

[Tone]

Originally Posted by GolddustMini

for that you'd need a new crank, block head, cams, sump, all would need to be redesigned.... guess what you've got then, yeh its a new v8

Thats what Ferrari have been running V10 case 8 pistons..

[GolddustMini]

Originally Posted by Tone

Thats what Ferrari have been running V10 case 8 pistons..

yeh but they will have a new crank (and cams i assume) in there to cope with the fact there are now only 8 bangs every 2 rotations rather than 10 (plus the fact that there now 2 pistons and conrods and valvegear missing), it'd be unbalanced otherwise. the difference is that ferrari would be developping things for the new engine where as minardi would in that case be running like that. i.e ferrari are spending money developing, whereas minardi dont have the money to develop a new engine/chassis and therefore they are going to run with a detuned v10, probably with a rev limit and or/inlet restrictor

[Snrub]

Originally Posted by jasonhill9884

hmmm... would a Minardi with an extra 100hp really be competitive ?

No. We know that Panis was 3 seconds a lap slower with the first iteration of next year's engine. I believe that they said it was down 200hp on the current V10s. If Minardi had a 100hp advantage on the competition they might be approximately 1.5 seconds faster relative to their competition. Other than Jordan that wouldn't help them catch anyone. Besides, the other teams will be redesigning their cars and making them a lot faster, while Minardi will only make minor tweaks.