Talbot 90 & 105 (Works & semi-works cars)

[john ruston]

Have been told first to prepare a list of the competition cars built by The Works.


Works Talbot’s[/B][/U]

Built 1930 – 34 Barlby Road
North Kensington
London

All cars 6 cylinder.

The Works Cars

1930 Talbot 90’s Works Team (the really ugly ones)
Crash Gearbox (Silent 3rd)
2.3 straight 6

PL2, All cars had excellent Brooklands history and 3rd & 4th
PL3, at Le Mans 1930 but only PL4 has been re-built
PL4, to give comparable performance these days.
+ Single Seater

1931 Talbot 105 Works team 3 litre straight 6 (Aluminium Engine 31)
Crash Gearbox (Silent 3rd)

GO 51, Brooklands history. Two thirds at Le Mans, 4th place in
GO 52, Mille Miglia until crash 100 mile from finish. Tourist
GO 53, Trophy, Irish GP.
GO 54, 2nd place 500 miles race 1931 and 3rd place 500 miles
+ Single Seater race 1932 + highest race speed.

1932 Talbot 105 3 Litre Works Team (VDP 3 litre tourer bodies)
Crash Gearbox

PJ 7361, Built solely for Alpine Trial where they covered route
PJ 7362, with no penalties.
PJ 7363

1934 Talbot 105 Works Team 3 Litre 1934
3.3 Litre 1935
Pre select Wilson box.

BGH 21, The ultimate Talbots with Alpine Trial Team win (no penalties)
BGH 22, and Brooklands record. BGH 23 being most famous car in 35-39
BGH 23 period. Ultimate spec 195 bph as used. Brooklands BGH 23 for
4 seater lap record at 130 mph. Also SA, GP, RAC and Scottish Rally.

1934 AXK 800 105 Works Rally car with special body RAC, Scottish, Welsh Rallies
and Brooklands Shelsley.

Semi Works Car

1934 JJ 93/AYL 2 105 3L Car built for Dr. Roth and eventually the chassis
engine continued to be AYL 2 with Alpine body onto JJ93.

1931 GX 68 Talbot 90 built from 90 single seater and now in hands of Peter
Swete. The best looking car and very quick, under 2-40
Silverstone Historic.

The cars are in various states of repair and all the reg. numbers are in use although PL3, PJ 7362 and BGH 22 are effectively replicas. The most original are PL2 (needs work), PJ7363 David Thomson superb original car and BGH 21. BGH 22 parts are incorporated in BGH 292. The original car was exported to Australia and returned in parts during past 30 years. The registration number BGH 22 was left in UK when export took place and purchased from GLC by Anthony Blight in 1967 and he built excellent replica to fit. All parts of BGH 23 have now been put together. The GO cars are an almagation of original parts, but none have the original aluminium engine. PL2 is original but PL4 has many original parts.

This is the starter to what I hope is an interesting topic. The 105 Talbots can be raced rallied, toured virtually anything (except trials) and certainly streets in front of Bentley, Alvis Lagondas and especially Invictas (is that bit controversial). Note BGH 23 was timed at 134mph in 2005 and with 3.3 litre engine, original head block, gearbox and Roesch Design and in 2005 won pre-war race at Spa, Silverstone GP and Historic Circuit. BGH 23 car led the Liege Rome Rally for four days until driver brain fade and latest Tour Britania win.

All 34 105 Talbots race with original blocks , original heads, original gearbox, etc and are correct capacity.

Special cars me thinks.



JR

[Riley Blue]

I thought you might be interested in this gallery of Talbot photos
http://abgilbertalbot.fotopic.net/

A. B. Gilbert was my wife's great uncle. When his widow died a few years ago we found an album containing these photographs.

After discovering these I went looking for AYL 7 and tracked it down to Holland when the same owner had one of the Le Mans cars PL2 (I think) I believe it may have been a reserve. You probably know who I'm thinking of....

I saw AYL 7 when it was over here for an engine rebuild. It looked superb and had a brass plaque listing ABG's Brooklands wins.

[john ruston]

The 105 in the photo was built in 1934 and was raced by Gilbert at end of 30's The car AYL7 is at present having it engine rebuilt in Essex.Both PL2 and AYL 7 are owned by the same Dutchman and have been for several years

[Riley Blue]

A few years ago my wife and I visited the owner of AYL 7 at his home in Holland and were given a tour of his collection. He gave us a copy of a history of the car, compiled by Peter Swete.

[John Turner]

O.K, here's a fine example of what we have been talking about.

[john ruston]

Its 23 in !938 Brooklands trim.The car has just been sold to a European for lots of money so someone thinks they're OK.The car won races at both Silverstone and Spa this year.

[John Turner]

John, didn't think that you'd ever sell such a wonderful machine!

[john ruston]

John-still have other two works cars and I have never been a fan of that nose

[John Turner]

John, glad that you retain a couple! I accept that the nose on BGH 23 does not display the more traditional Talbot upright radiator style, but presumably it is historically correct (as it competed at Brooklands), in which case that is a 'good thing' and representative of how it looked then.

[john ruston]

All the Blight works 105's have now found new home's.Of the seven cars four are with European owners and three stay with the British

[John Turner]

BGH22 at VSCC, Silverstone, 8 April 2006 (but note it didn't appear to compete that day):-



Note this car is not the original BGH22 (see John Ruston's notes above)

[John Turner]

GO54 - chassis no. 31054 - engine no. AV33 is coming up for auction at H & H, Buxton, 21 & 22 November. See here:-

http://www.classic-auctions.com/car_entries_index.html

[WouterM]

We recently published an article on PL2 and today have added six period shots to the article. These were kindly provided by the current owner:

[John Turner]

At the H & H auction, GO54 went to a new owner who was prepared to go to a very substantial £308,000 for the privilege.

[john ruston]

GO54-It was sold for all that money and like the other Blight collection cars it needed a complete makeover which I understand is being undertaken.The other works cars have all been rebuilt in the past 7 years by their new keepers thus the Talbots are back where they were in the late 60's early 70's and throughout the 30's

[ctagg]

Have just posted some pics of PJ 7363 (one of the 1932 Alpine Trial Team mentioned at the beginning of this thread) that I took at Classic on the Common, Harpenden, earlier in the week. They're at Autopendium :: Stuff about old cars. Clicking on the thumbnails should take you to the right page, or click on this link

[madmalc]

AYL 2 at Anglesey Circuit on the Tour Britannia

[smokystove]

Originally Posted by john ruston

1931 GX 68 Talbot 90 built from 90 single seater and now in hands of Peter
Swete. The best looking car and very quick, under 2-40
Silverstone Historic.

Reviving an old thread because I'm about 150 pages into a battered copy I found of Blight's "Invincible Talbot" book...

This is a 6 yr. old thread so where is the single seater today?

Did it retain it's single seater bodywork?

Would be interesting to see.

[John Turner]

Still has the very handsome 2 seater sports bodywork on it that JR mentions, I believe. I have no idea whether the single seater bodywork survives.

[john ruston]

I note in the original stuff I mentioned that the 31 car had aluminium engine.The stuff on this is conjecture and proved to be incorrect

This is wrong and they were iron blocks and heads.

An aluminium engine car was built as an experiment but Roach confirms it was a failure and was later sold to Australia.An original letter confirms this.

[John Turner]

John, we (you) probably need to update this; a case of where are they now? If anybody knows you will.

[roadmap]

Originally Posted by john ruston

I note in the original stuff I mentioned that the 31 car had aluminium engine.The stuff on this is conjecture and proved to be incorrect

This is wrong and they were iron blocks and heads.

An aluminium engine car was built as an experiment but Roach confirms it was a failure and was later sold to Australia.An original letter confirms this.

Been a way a long time from this forum but thought it worth a look, who has it John ? Surprised you dont own it by now.
Stewart

[john ruston]

Wondered if it was worth bringing this up to date