New race formats for V8

[the man]

I reckon that the races would be much better if we had one longer race, isnstead of two or threee semi-long races. This way we eliminate the need for artificially created pit stops, as they would be necessary, and as they would only pit when needed, bigger grids could be possible because there wouldn't be massive pitlane crowding all at once.
regards
the man

[Bomn]

A long enough race that they need one and a half tanks of fuel (or start race with full tanks). Change tyres or brake pads when and if you need them. Stop when you want to.

[StuiE]

I would like to see, long races too, but AVESCO and sense just dont go together

[twig]

yes, that would be a good idea, it would also get rid of those really early stops at the beginning of the race too, of which HRT do very often, and it wins....so, well......

but cant the V8's last a very long time tires and fuel wise? i remember hearing that Skaife did about 58 laps on one tank and same tires at the clipsal 500.

i guess the longer the normal races were, it would lower the significance of the larger races, such as the Sandown race, maybe Clipsal, but none the less, i am all for it!!

[racer69]

Bring back the Sprint Races for the ATCC, then have a seperate endurance championship.

[Mr Squiggle]

Yup. Two or three sprint races per meeting with a seperate enduro series at the end of the year.

Again we see plicy making with no thought to cost control (= the rich get richer). Having so many points riding on the enduros as part of the regular season is swaying the pendulum towards the big budget teams straight away.

[RaceTime]

Originally posted by racer69
Bring back the Sprint Races for the ATCC, then have a seperate endurance championship.

But this would entail thinking logically and sensibly - as such probably won't happen - I mean - 'We aren't going to change the rules mid-way through a season' (TC/numerous others)

[elephino]

How about just one 50 minute race, or 3 20 minute races or just one race to decide the entire championship...as we are reviving old ideas, such as a separate endurance championship. Let's not forget a short race at the start of the day with places drawn out of a hat or a string pulled or some contraption and then the top 6 can run off for the grid for race 1.

[Mr Squiggle]

Deciding the championship with one race is an idea we have almost regressed to with the amount of points to be won in a couple of enduros.
The current format reeks of a dodgy promoter milking a cash cow till its dry.

[Bomn]

Just hold a 2-hour qualifying session on Sunday. Pole position is the winner.

[Morris 1100]

Can the races and give the points to the team with the most money!



Too late they already have!

[DNQ]

For me, the race format that worked best was always the three 20 minute races, with NO top ten shootouts.

But the idea of a Grand Prix style format has interested me for a while - on 70-90 minute race at each round would put a different perspective on things, with consistent formats at each round, instead of the current pick and mix system...

And, to keep the sprint fans happy...instead of the top-10 shootout....what about a 4 lap top 15 race to determine the grid positions?

[elephino]

What about the BTCC format of a sprint and an enduro. Not necessarily with a pitstop.

[Josh]

Why not have all Enjuros like the F1s.

Better racing!

[StuiE]

I like the enduro idea, cos for some reason, all the endurance races seem to have the best racing, even though they should be pacing

[racer69]

Yeah i would prefer one race, maybe of 60-90 minutes long, only pit if you want to, and no shootout. Maybe bring back the dash and sunday morning for the top 6 cars.

[RaceTime]

Brett Ramsey (from In Pit Lane) has reported in aus.sport.motor that at the meeting between TEGA, drivers and AVESCO's Wayne Cattach, that subject to acceptance by the teams, Pre Qualifying is to be scrapped with immediate effect and grid capacities increased to 36 for the remainder of 2002 and 2003. The 36 cars are to be determined by TEGA members.

Wether this will stop the current TEGA revolt remains to be seen as there are more than 36 cars vying for these grid positions.

[racer69]

Is there still going to be that general meeting on May 10

[RaceTime]

Not sure at this stage - will try and find out more and post...

[sevi]

So predictable, give them something that they want and then there is no reason to vote the board off.
By the way the Konica round was more like a round of the circus, LP, Ross Stone, Alan Heaphy, John Faulkner, Bruce Ellery and Keith Weel were all there, along with the normal Garry Rodgers and Kim Jones. I saw LP speak to all but the last two who just happen to be on the board. There is also another meeting Wed before Fridays.

[Mr Squiggle]

This is what happens when the monkeys get to run the zoo!!!

For all of the great white devil's (AKA Tony Cochrane) faults, he at least keeps some semblance of order.

How do we make another Bernie? Surely we can clone him?

[RaceTime]

Is that what you really want though?

And does TC keep order? In both Bernies and TC's cases, there are grumblings behind the scenes of a major nature.

IN the case of F1 - the main component of F1 is threatening to start a rical series - and personally I think they mean business. And to find that an organising body has sold the rights for a series for 108 years!!! I mean - come on - over a hundred years? How many have stopped to actually think about that....

TC - the oprder he has created is fast becoming a quagmire - teams creating satellite teams to ensure they have a presence on the grid; contenders who WHOULD be on the grid having to go through PQ (OK that part looks like it is about to change - but it should NEVER have gotten to the stage it did) and, the worst of the lot, the 'stable rules' that have, for the past 3 years, been changed mid-season despite assurences this would never happen.

[Mr Squiggle]

In the case of F1, the infamous 108 year deal was made at the height of a media boom when Fox would pay squillions for the rights to the Estonian Tiddly-Winks Championship season (those Estonians sure take their tiddly-winks seriously!).This has been the ignition point for the manufacturers, who are putting up serious dollars for F1 and not smoke and mirrors, to step up and make their position known. Basically, without them, F1 would not be as we know it today, period. They realise this and therefore are suggesting that they should have a larger slice of the pie.

Fair enough.

And now with Kirsch in meltdown and the F1 rights looking for another home, this might be the chance for Bernie and Mad Max to set the record straight.

In the case of TC. The worst thing he ever did was agree to let the teams have a big say in the running of the series. It's one thing to have a panel of representatives from Ford, Daimler-Chrysler, Fiat(Ferrari), Honda, Renault, etc. deciding the fate of a mega-dollar sport, and another thing entirely to have the guys at the coal face deciding (as in V8 Superbus). They just don't have the distance to make rational and logical decisions. Far too many of them have been knee jerk and reactionary when they should be visionary.

NASCAR is a good example of how to build a successful series. Admittedly, the teams now have a say in the running of it, but in the formative years, Bill France ruled with an iron fist and got the job done. What I'm saying is it's just too early to let that much freedom out.

[RaceTime]

Agree to a certain extent - except that the F1 manufaturers started yelling before the media meltdown started. They were being asked to put up mega bucks but getting very little in return for it.

[Mr Squiggle]

Yeah, you're right. They were screaming about the sale to Kirsch in the beginning because they (rightly) felt betrayed by Bernie. They believed they would get a good part of the new world order for F1 for teh post-Bernie era. When the deal was doen with Kirsch, they could see it wasn't going to end well for them even after their collective mega buck investment.