The "Real" real Poll

Wrex · 31 Dec 2002, 04:53 (Ref:460689)

In response to Speeds quote below, I thought another poll was in order.

Quote:

Originally posted by Speed
Exactly what I thought...
JPM - 20
MS - 9
Rest - 17

If MS is the best thing in F1 world, according to some forumers, why Montoya has more supporters ?

Well a few things have to be taken into account. Firstly, this is a predominantly 'anti-Schumacher' forum, so it's not taken from the most unbias of samples.

Secondly, the question had no basis on talent or driver ability. You asked

Quote:

Originally posted by Speed
Easy question...

Favorite driver ?

Just because a driver has alot of support, does'nt make him talented or a WDC. If you need proof of this, I present to you one 'Jos Verstappen'.

So I ask you this question. All BS and bias aside. Who is the best driver in Formula 1 today? Not will be, not was, but is.

You don't have to comment (I know it may get stuck in your throat), just vote.

While 5 or 6 names are worthy of the list, I will put the 3 that most likely (and in my opinion) and most worthy.

Red · 31 Dec 2002, 07:26 (Ref:460734)

Quote:

Originally posted by Wrex
Eddie Irvine (every poll should have a joke in it)

Well, I strongly dissagree. Eddie might not be the best driver ever but he IS a good driver. Certainly the presence of his name in that poll, altough futile I believe, but certainly is not a joke.

Wrex · 31 Dec 2002, 07:34 (Ref:460737)

We shall see

Dani Filth · 31 Dec 2002, 10:12 (Ref:460784)

"If MS is the best thing in F1 world, according to some forumers, why Montoya has more supporters ?"

I think JPM only has more supporters on this forum not world wide ..

Damon · 31 Dec 2002, 10:30 (Ref:460789)

I'd love to see Schu end his career by truly proving himself against an equal team mate in equal machinery. Roll on 2004 and a JV / MS pairing at Ferrari.

**Asp** · 31 Dec 2002, 11:49 (Ref:460822)

Good point Wrex - I hate TGF, I think he's arrogant, a little obnoxious, but without doubt the best driver out there at the minute!

enemy-ace · 31 Dec 2002, 12:01 (Ref:460832)

Kimi Raikkonen

*formula3* · 31 Dec 2002, 12:31 (Ref:460855)

Quote:

Originally posted by Asp
Good point Wrex - I hate TGF, I think he's arrogant, a little obnoxious, but without doubt the best driver out there at the minute!

agreed! i really don´t like him, but he´s the best

Speed · 31 Dec 2002, 14:12 (Ref:460959)

Yeahhh you're right Wrex, Michael had the best car on the grid !, I agree.

Anyway, Montoya had more supporters in this Forum (if you want to say that in that way).

Inigo Montoya · 31 Dec 2002, 14:19 (Ref:460963)

This poll is too easy. TGF by miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles....
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and miles.

Speed · 31 Dec 2002, 14:54 (Ref:460986)

Hehehe, and he (JPM) took away 7 Poles from the "best" driver (according to you) with the "best" car on the grid (according to the World)...

I'm happy to see this guy on the "3rd." best car getting Poles and the Fastest Lap in the F1 World. That says something, don't you think ?

Damon · 31 Dec 2002, 14:56 (Ref:460988)

You know it Speed! Just wait for the "but he didn't win any did he" lines.

Sato san · 31 Dec 2002, 15:21 (Ref:461007)

Quote:

Originally posted by Damon
I'd love to see Schu end his career by truly proving himself against an equal team mate in equal machinery.

now that i would also love to see.........let him really let his driving do the talking and nothing else .

Speed · 31 Dec 2002, 15:26 (Ref:461010)

Nice signature, Sato...

**Aysedasi** · 31 Dec 2002, 15:31 (Ref:461014)

Quote:

Originally posted by Red
Well, I strongly dissagree. Eddie might not be the best driver ever but he IS a good driver. Certainly the presence of his name in that poll, altough futile I believe, but certainly is not a joke.

Its all about opinions. I think his inclusion is very definitely the joke it was intended to be.

As for the best, no question, it has to be TGF. But then the competition isn't exactly what it has been in years past, is it?

Mr V · 31 Dec 2002, 15:37 (Ref:461022)

For me....JPM's the best driver (but then you knew i was gonna say that

) seeing what he did when he was in CART, winning the title in his rookie year, winning the Indy 500 at his first attempt, taking 10 poles in a car that was third best last year and second best this year. I know the arguement of JPM and Michael in the same car has been gone over countless times before, but, if JPM had Michaels car, judging by what he has done before when he had the best car (CART-Ganassi '99) then i know that he would get the job done.

Speed · 31 Dec 2002, 15:38 (Ref:461025)

I mean... location.

Damon · 31 Dec 2002, 15:47 (Ref:461031)

Quote:

Originally posted by mr v
For me....JPM's the best driver (but then you knew i was gonna say that ) seeing what he did when he was in CART, winning the title in his rookie year, winning the Indy 500 at his first attempt, taking 10 poles in a car that was third best last year and second best this year. I know the arguement of JPM and Michael in the same car has been gone over countless times before, but, if JPM had Michaels car, judging by what he has done before when he had the best car (CART-Ganassi '99) then i know that he would get the job done.

Yep!

Inigo Montoya · 31 Dec 2002, 16:14 (Ref:461043)

Quote:

Originally posted by Damon
You know it Speed! Just wait for the "but he didn't win any did he" lines.

But he didn't win any did he?

Seriously though, I can't argue that JPM has the potential to be the best in the world. But right now, you are kidding yourself if you think he compares to TGF. You can attack Ralphie all you want, but he did a pretty good job of keeping up with your messiah.

Ability, right now:

1. TGF <large gap> 2. Fisichella 3. JPM

Inigo Montoya · 31 Dec 2002, 16:15 (Ref:461045)

Quote:

Originally posted by Speed

I'm happy to see this guy on the "3rd." best car getting Poles and the Fastest Lap in the F1 World. That says something, don't you think ?

Yup, it proves that both he and the Williams were pretty fast over ONE lap.

Speed · 31 Dec 2002, 16:24 (Ref:461053)

Quote:

Originally posted by Inigo Montoya
This poll is too easy. TGF by miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles....
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and miles.

Too many miles for a guy who spins with nobody pushing him (MS this year and some years ago too)..., You better cut some miles...

Inigo Montoya · 31 Dec 2002, 16:27 (Ref:461056)

I guess when you are miles and miles ahead of everyone, it gets boring and you sometimes lose your concentration....

I hate defending TGF because really I don't like him that much, and JPM has proven to me that he has extreme potential, but he still hasn't shown me that he's that best... or even close...

Mr V · 31 Dec 2002, 16:50 (Ref:461067)

Quote:

Originally posted by Inigo Montoya

Ability, right now:

1. TGF <large gap> 2. Fisichella 3. JPM

Just out of interest, if, as you say, Fisichella is the second best driver, how is it, that he's never had a drive in one of the big three and never likely to?

Damon · 31 Dec 2002, 17:36 (Ref:461085)

Quote:

Originally posted by Inigo Montoya
I guess when you are miles and miles ahead of everyone, it gets boring and you sometimes lose your concentration....

Perhaps he should accept an equal team mate then he'd be pushed and wouldn't get board?

Quote:

Originally posted by Inigo Montoya
Ability, right now:

1. TGF <large gap> 2. Fisichella 3. JPM

Inigo here is refering to the mystical unwritten assumption that says Fisichella is really the greatest of all time but has always been "unlucky" not to get a top drive. His little more than average performances in the teams he has driven for is simply to lull everyone into a full sense of security

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JohnSSC · 31 Dec 2002, 17:40 (Ref:461087)

The poll as I read it is best driver, not best over one lap or some limited set of circumstances. While I wish my favorite, Speed Racer would get a decent drive, my vote has to go to Michael. He only has 2 fewer WDCs than JPM had poles this year (kidding! kidding!).

JPM has an enormous upside, we shall see in 3 - 5 years if the promise will be fulfilled.

View Poll Results: Who is the best driver in Formula One today?
Michael Schumacher	30	50.00%
Juan Pablo Montoya	18	30.00%
Jacques Villeneuve	9	15.00%
Eddie Irvine (every poll should have a joke in it)	1	1.67%
Other	2	3.33%
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