Alonso crying about not being treated equally

[rblanshard]

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...05155020.shtml

So what about Fernando and test driver Pedro de la Rosa not sharing with Hamilton set up info from Ferrari? FA cries about not getting treated equally and isn’t he guilty of the same? FA’s crying about how’s he’s getting treated at McLaren is really starting to grate on my nerves.

Now, I will give you this, Hamilton is the favorite son. How could he not be? FA is a hired gun, LH has been in the McLaren system for years, he’s British and they’re mutually invested in each other. But does that mean FA has not been treated fairly or equally? If nothing else, FA has been treated just like LH – or more appropriately, LH has been treated just like FA. And, well, that’s just not fair…

[Craig]

If I were Ron Dennis, and I had to offer Aloneso one example of why he is not being treated badly, I would point to the very fact that, even after Aloneso acted so badly, he was still given the same opportunity to win as Hamilton. He's had a top car and the support of his team even after he tried to blackmail them and then whinging about them to the press. I know that I would have fired his arse long ago or, if I couldn't, I'd have made the odd 'mistake' with strategy or whatever! The guy's a born whinger and the sooner he goes back to Renault the better.

[dj choc ice]

guys a chav with money, cant face losing and throws a hell of a tantrum when he does lose at anything, he just has to face the fact hamilton could well be a better driver than him, so far this year hamilton has demostrated that in fine form.

alonso should shut his gob and get on with his job, he might do a bit better than he is doing now if he does that.

[luke]

I agree guys, I am sick and tired of Alonso. Just because he can't hack he's been out performed by the rookie as he was past champion he comes out with rubbish that he is being treated unfairly. Obviously we don't know for sure as we don't work at woking however it sounds very lame and childish with his out bursts most of the time. Just go back to Renault with the playboy and let mclaren build whatever they can back together with their team! He's an outcast in his team, who can wonder why after giving evidence against his own team! He certainly won't be at Mclaren next year JMO.

[chillibowl]

Ron from the link" "I'm obviously disappointed that someone who really has all the knowledge should not be more direct and open with the response."

really! Ron is disappointed that FA responded with a no comment. he would have prefered for Alonso to say more. i guess he likes all the "informed" things Alonso says

if FA is such an ingrate then Ron should be happy that he chose to keep his mouth shut.

if he opens it up he gets slammed if he keeps it shut he gets slammed. sounds to me like he is being treated fairly

[Aysedasi]

Should have kept it shut from the outset then - he wouldn't have a problem now.......

[Gt_R]

Seperate these two.. NOW!

Another reason why season 2007 should end earlier...it's so messed.. worse than years when we speculate whether a team is running TC or arguing about points system. A month's time,... everyone goes on a holiday..forget these nonsense, and 4 months later, we'd be itching to see F1 (politics) unfold again...

[ralf fan]

Actual quotes from Alonso complaining about unfair treatment in that article. Zilch!

[Hazard]

Might I suggest a less bias ridden thread title at least?

[Adam43]

People crying about Alonso crying!
Link here



McLaren have been perfectly fair to both drivers.

[Knowlesy]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63038

Scandalous comments in that link.

Originally Posted by Fernando Alonso

It's not equal, it's impossible in Formula One to have the best strategy, the best everything for both cars. Sometimes I have the advantage, sometimes Lewis has the advantage, this is normal.

Heck, string him up. The Hamilton bandwagon has the equipment ready!

[Patrick Fletche]

I like Alonso. A lot, but not enough to have his children. (I am waiting to have Kimi's)
I don't think he whinges at all. But the British press and some British forum members go big on anything negative they can about him. I wonder why.
Which is sad. Because he is an F1 great. Unlike some world champions he has often won driving inferior equipment.
Also he is a very clean and sporting driver.

F1 would be a far lesser sport without him.

[CATMAN]

Originally Posted by Patrick Fletche

I like Alonso. A lot, but not enough to have his children. (I am waiting to have Kimi's)
I don't think he whinges at all. But the British press and some British forum members go big on anything negative they can about him. I wonder why.
Which is sad. Because he is an F1 great. Unlike some world champions he has often won driving inferior equipment.
Also he is a very clean and sporting driver.

F1 would be a far lesser sport without him.

Clean and sporting

[Craig]

You are right in one single point, Fletch. It'd be a poorer sport without him. Every sport needs a villain, someone who makes a tit out of themselves by whining and moaning and generally being a pain in the arse. I used to like Alonso but, this year, he's lost the plot. Too many mistakes, too much to say for himself and, if you believe the stories, happy to stitch his own team up. He should just get his head down and get on with his job. If he had done that all year then I have no doubt that he would be the one with a 12 point lead going into this weekend...

[E46]

Originally Posted by Craig

You are right in one single point, Fletch. It'd be a poorer sport without him. Every sport needs a villain, someone who makes a tit out of themselves by whining and moaning and generally being a pain in the arse. I used to like Alonso but, this year, he's lost the plot. Too many mistakes, too much to say for himself and, if you believe the stories, happy to stitch his own team up. He should just get his head down and get on with his job. If he had done that all year then I have no doubt that he would be the one with a 12 point lead going into this weekend...

[IRONIC]

You have reason, Alonso is the next Hitler or Stalin. He should to be banned for life. God Save the Lewis.

[/IRONIC]

[Craig]

Riiight...

[Hazard]

Funny - I only like Alonso more after this season. He's got one hell of a devious streak I didn't know he had.

But, with Hamilton on the rise, Alonso has basically walked into the departed slot of British F1 devil vacated by Michael Schumacher, who effectively earned his slot battling Damon Hill, the 'super 2nd season rookie' back in 1994. It's de ja vu I feel, and Alonso will forever be Lewis' nemesis from now on, just as Hill and Schumacher were considered regardless of competitive machiney, well till he quits too that is.

[CATMAN]

( Craig "It'd be a poorer sport without him" )

I don't know.
I'm partial to a healthy Paella. Now you can send out to Goldworth Road, Knaphill and most of Woking for Chinese, Indian and Pizza etc.
Lyndy supplies simply superb food, so Ron could expand Absolute Taste and corner a new market and they have a fast delivery boy under contract.
Fernando would love sweeping through Carthouse Lane or taking the hump back bridge on Philpot Lane flat out and it would be as he likes it.

Number 1 billing and no competition

[E46]

Originally Posted by CATMAN

( Craig "It'd be a poorer sport without him" )

I don't know.
I'm partial to a healthy Paella. Now you can send out to Goldworth Road, Knaphill and most of Woking for Chinese, Indian and Pizza etc.
Lyndy supplies simply superb food, so Ron could expand Absolute Taste and corner a new market and they have a fast delivery boy under contract.
Fernando would love sweeping through Carthouse Lane or taking the hump back bridge on Philpot Lane flat out and it would be as he likes it.

Number 1 billing and no competition

You aren´t good with jokes, don´t try it.

[CATMAN]

E46.

Who's joking!
For many years Woking had quite a large very good Spanish work force many worked at the late Brookwood Mental Hospital.

Dedicated hard working people who knew how to get on with fellow NHS work mates.
Why should Alonso show up his fellow countrymens record in Wokng

A little hard work nerver hurt anyone and Fernando may learn a valuable lesson.

[rblanshard]

Revisiting the topic I started earlier, I've had a few more thoughts.

I didn't mean for this to be an Alonso-bashing session, not that it is, and I never meant to bash Alonso. I agree with what's already been said, he's a great driver. I think his finest moment was holding off TGF at Imola a couple of years ago. But his on track and off track persona are so different.

Whether it's the Spanish to English language barrier, or he's just not a good speaker - not that he should be, he's a driver, but still - some of the things he says are just down right stupid and don't belong in the sport and ultimately make him look bad. Remember when the season was winding down last year with Renault, and he made some comment that the team didn't want him to take the #1 with him to McLaren? Whether that's what he really meant or he meant to say something else and his English isn't all that great, it just makes him sound like a whiner.

Going back to what ralf fan and Hazard said on page one, my topic title was misleading (unintentional) and the article did not specifically mention that Alonso was crying, but that's the feeling I got from the story. But given his history, can you blame me?

Ultimately, I'm a fan of Fernando's. He's a great talent behind the wheel. But I agree with what was said earlier, if he kept his head in the cockpit, I too have no doubt he'd be up 12 points with two races to go.

[al_sami]

I think the truth will come out end of the season, I still think we dont know the half of it and Im sure Alonso will speak his mind soon.

There is more to the politics inside Mclaren that is being made public.

I could trust Alonso, he will tell you as it is, but Not Hamilton, he certainly does have a dark side to him, back stabbing is something he is certainly capabale of.

[Knowlesy]

Two moments have hurt Alonso more than anything this year. The mechanical failure in French GP qualifying and the Hungaroring loss of temper. I reckon that he lost a (convenient as it turns out) 12 point swing on Hamilton in those races.

I am one of a dying breed but I have felt sorry for Alonso on the whole. When he did do things right he sometimes got slagged off and shown no real support (Monaco being a case in point, the reaction to that really got under my skin).

All the while a largely British press has turned quotes into headlines to look bad for Alonso and great for Lewis leading to some ridiculous perceptions and ideas. There was a totally overblown article today in a tabloid referring to the possible penalty for Hamilton over his Japan driving. The bias in it just made me feel sick and, what's sad, the specialist rags haven't been far off that level of bias!

There have of course been some pretty regrettable moments and sadly people will only remember these from Alonso's 2007. Pity, because there has been some very good stuff.

[al_sami]

I dont care what the British Hamilton fans say, but Alonso "IS" the best overall driver in F1 today.

I think for a driver to flourish, you must have the correct environment behind you, if there are always negative tensions in you direction and not getting the support it can effect a persons mind set. This has clearly been the case with Alonso, I feel that he has been treated with coldness and disrecpect especially by the British press but also Hamilton is Mclarens goldent boy, just like Kimi was and Mika was previously.

I dont believe all this equality thing at Mclaren, they are just corporate words just to make them look whiter than white.

Hamiltons win will certainly be tainted for 2 reasons, the Ferrari affair and internal politics and Mclaren giving Hamilton preference over Alonso.

[ralf fan]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Two moments have hurt Alonso more than anything this year. The mechanical failure in French GP qualifying and the Hungaroring loss of temper. I reckon that he lost a (convenient as it turns out) 12 point swing on Hamilton in those races.

What has hurt Alonso more than anything is that he has allowed himself to be distracted by other things. If he had just gotten his head down like he has in the last 4 races or so i think he could've beaten Lewis and probably comfortably. Someone is going to find fault somewhere regardless of performance. The media is biased always has been and always will be. A champion must have as they say a 'thick skin' and Alonso has actually done well in that department up till the past few months. Schumacher got stick year in year out and it didn't seem to bother him on track atleast. If Alonso loses the title he has no-one to blame but himself. Those two incidents didn't help, but i felt he has under performed in some races by getting himself distracted.
I like Alonso quite a lot, but he hasn't wowed me (Nurburgring aside) this year like the past two seasons.