Should Jordan appeal?

esorniloc · 6 Apr 2003, 20:15 (Ref:560547)

Should EJ appeal against the result?

DNQ · 6 Apr 2003, 20:18 (Ref:560557)

Yes, and I am a massive McLaren fan. Fisi won that

M Coupe · 6 Apr 2003, 20:19 (Ref:560558)

yes, As far as you could see on the TV Fisi had crossed the line before the red flag came out.

Hugh Jarce · 6 Apr 2003, 20:23 (Ref:560571)

I love Fisi to get it - for once in his life!

He deserves to be a winner!

corkholio · 6 Apr 2003, 20:24 (Ref:560577)

Yes. What have they got to lose?

**Asp** · 6 Apr 2003, 20:24 (Ref:560578)

No, because although I want Fisi to win; what grounds of appeal are there?

Tom Fuller · 6 Apr 2003, 20:25 (Ref:560579)

Jordan really should - they really do have a case. And 74.5% is NOT 75%, its less than. If it was 75.4% then that would be ok.

DNQ · 6 Apr 2003, 20:27 (Ref:560583)

I imagine it is rounded up to whole figures perhaps?

Ej10 · 6 Apr 2003, 20:27 (Ref:560584)

What grounds. MMMMMMMmmmmm. Maybe the fact that he passed the finish line before the red flag came out

BootsOntheSide · 6 Apr 2003, 20:27 (Ref:560586)

Fisichella was the rightful winner. The analysis will prove that. He was in front for a full lap before the red flag was thrown. Once it comes up in court, Eddie will be ahdned the team's most amazing glory day, in their 200th race.

Eddie shoudl call their bluff - threaten to pull the team out and enter CART if the result isn't overturned.

**Asp** · 6 Apr 2003, 20:33 (Ref:560603)

I'll just repost the reg. here for viewing, although this better not end up going the same way as another thread!

FIA Sporting Regulations, 2003

Article 154:
Case C. 75% or more of the race distance (rounded up to the nearest whole number of laps). The cars will be
sent directly to the parc fermé and the race will be deemed to have finished when the leading car crossed the
Line at the end of the lap two laps prior to that during which the signal to stop was given.

Therefore - It was 75% as defined by the rules, so they can't appeal on Tom's ground; and it clearly states 2 laps, so that's Boots' idea out the window too.

DNQ · 6 Apr 2003, 20:34 (Ref:560607)

Yeah, I hope EJ works hard for this win, and gets it.

SILVERS95 · 6 Apr 2003, 20:44 (Ref:560661)

EJ needs the money , Fisi needs his first race win .

Fisi won the race anyway , Yep , EJ should appeal

gttouring · 6 Apr 2003, 20:44 (Ref:560663)

i guess if a bunch of dopes like us-can see the realities, i guess, that's that... but I saw the race and the red flag descision was too quick, it was a safety car issue then the red flag, so fisi would have one the appeal should be on the flagging issue, that woul dthen clear up the Fisi as winner issue.

Lee Janotta · 6 Apr 2003, 20:48 (Ref:560674)

I say yes. Were I Eddie Jordan, I'd have filed the appeal immediatly, then consulted with Ford, and my lawyers, before deciding how to pursue it.

But if they've got a snowball's chance in hell of getting the win, they should go forward.

Thorstone · 6 Apr 2003, 20:48 (Ref:560675)

Quote:

Originally posted by DNQ
Yes, and I am a massive McLaren fan. Fisi won that

Same here,
but i think the judgement will stand

SILVERS95 · 6 Apr 2003, 20:51 (Ref:560686)

even if they dont win a appeal , they will get media exposure from appealing so i expect that will help there cause with sponsorship.

Yoong Montoya · 6 Apr 2003, 20:53 (Ref:560695)

Well, Jordan did appeal against Irvine's 1 race ban in 1994, and ended up with a 3 race ban....

I hope that the FIA don't DQ Fisi if they appeal

Mr V · 6 Apr 2003, 20:53 (Ref:560696)

I believe they should, and indeed will, appeal, and i hope they win.

Reido Rules · 6 Apr 2003, 20:58 (Ref:560719)

The FIA's decision is that the Red's were thrown for Mark Webbers crash, by which time, Fisi hadn't crossed the line for the second time, but it is quite clear that the red was thrown, seconds after Alonso's shunt, by which time Fisichella had crossed the line for the second time, and started a lap that made two laps back his win. Double waved yellows were out for Webber, and I believe that the safety car was out on standby. So yes, Eddie Jordan has a legal claim for victory. Martin Brundle, has read the law book, which does actually state a good case for Fisi.

To use Ron's words- "there needs to be clarification in the rules."

I'm sorry but Fisi is the winner!

Speedworx · 6 Apr 2003, 20:59 (Ref:560720)

How can EJ appeal?

He doesn't have anything to stand on. Rules state the winner is leader on last complete lap before the red flag. Fisi took the lead on the lap Webber crashed.

jetsetter · 6 Apr 2003, 20:59 (Ref:560724)

As good as it would've been to see a Jordan victory under the laws there are no grounds for appeal as the law states the result will be taken back two laps so an appeal would be just a waste of time & money.

ensign14 · 6 Apr 2003, 21:04 (Ref:560734)

The rule is clear, no matter how stupid it is, and is the same for everyone. The problem is that if someone threw the chequered flag rather than the red flag the race would have been called 'as is'. And if they'd've run behind the safety car for another 2 laps before being called off Fisi would have won (assuming no engine conflagration). Did McLaren not lose a race in Canada because of that in c 1997?

ensign14 · 6 Apr 2003, 21:05 (Ref:560735)

Oh, and I'm betting if EJ does not appeal, he will get some political benefit somewhere down the line.

steve nielsen · 6 Apr 2003, 21:06 (Ref:560740)

No, they shoulf fire the guy responsible for the front suspension!

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