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Old 6 Apr 2006, 22:24 (Ref:1572648)   #1
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Reverse Grid Races who will benefit

With the first reverse race happening at Puke which teams at the back off the Grid will Benefit

I have to say John Bowe is my pick a very hard man to pass and should have some grunt with the SBR engines.
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Old 6 Apr 2006, 22:49 (Ref:1572656)   #2
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Who benefits from the Reverse Grid?

The answer is the Panel beaters, followed closely by the pockets lined by the fines levied!

Cream eventually raises to the top, look at GT at the GP. Maybe a lot of the "daddy owns the team" guys will be found wanting. They will burn their tyres up, and that will be the reason they couldn't get past. Guys with older heads (not bodies!) will, somehow , manage to be in the right place at the right time
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Old 6 Apr 2006, 23:20 (Ref:1572674)   #3
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I think Jason Bright could do well. Perhaps the most effective passer, with a history of pace in sprint rounds.

Plus, the reversed nature of the grids should give him a fair jump on the quickest rivals.
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 00:11 (Ref:1572694)   #4
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Average Punter should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridAverage Punter should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridAverage Punter should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Easy. The top runner who DNF's in Race 1.

I remember Russell Ingall one year at Canberra took off into the distance in the reverse grid race...

Just makes me think that Channel Seriously will only show the battles up the back and the also-ran teams won't make it on the TV anyway...
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 00:41 (Ref:1572708)   #5
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Easy. The top runner who DNF's in Race 1.

I remember Russell Ingall one year at Canberra took off into the distance in the reverse grid race...

Just makes me think that Channel Seriously will only show the battles up the back and the also-ran teams won't make it on the TV anyway...
But remember you have to be classified as a finisher for that to happen.
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 00:46 (Ref:1572710)   #6
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Correct - DNF's start from the rear of the actual finishers. Otherwise a smart cookie who was having problems woulr retire from Race 1 in the first 10 laps, get the problem fixed and then do an Ingall.
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 00:56 (Ref:1572716)   #7
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Otherwise a smart cookie who was having problems woulr retire from Race 1 in the first 10 laps, get the problem fixed and then do an Ingall.
With the way the points are structured I'd imagine they'll all still be trying to finish as high as possible in the first race - given that the starting grid for the 3rd race is determined by an aggregate of points for the first 2 races.
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 01:48 (Ref:1572738)   #8
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So back to the orginal question which low down team can stick on the pace and make the reverse grid work for them.
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 02:45 (Ref:1572753)   #9
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i think murphy's ego sometimes helps him calveup and sometimes breaks him.
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 03:28 (Ref:1572766)   #10
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So back to the orginal question which low down team can stick on the pace and make the reverse grid work for them.
If they are a low down team they won't have had the pace anyway, so why would they suddenly be able to 'stick on the pace' come reverse grid time.

The only race that can be taken seriously will be race 1 as it isn't blighted by this rubbish (and even then you will get drivers backing off for a better grid spot)
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 03:36 (Ref:1572768)   #11
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Pirtek_Falcon-1 has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
Cars with strong steering. Some of the holdens have very weak steering arms and that could be a huge problem if theres some rubbing.
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 03:46 (Ref:1572773)   #12
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If they are a low down team they won't have had the pace anyway, so why would they suddenly be able to 'stick on the pace' come reverse grid time.

The only race that can be taken seriously will be race 1 as it isn't blighted by this rubbish (and even then you will get drivers backing off for a better grid spot)
Yes, but if you work on the basis that there are 15 odd, who can win "on their day", you are well into the mid field. Those 15 cars would only have about 1 sec difference in Qual pace. If you have cars that close, and you have the tyres, so you can keep on the line, nobody is getting past without contact.
Agree about race 1
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 03:46 (Ref:1572774)   #13
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Average Punter should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridAverage Punter should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridAverage Punter should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
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But remember you have to be classified as a finisher for that to happen.
Thanks RF. I should have remembered that.........
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 03:59 (Ref:1572779)   #14
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i think morris and the rat will be the big benefactors. i think they are regular mid pack. morris is hard to pass, but is still on a reasonable race pace.

but treember one key improratnt thing all you prophets of doom

15th in race one and a win in race two, still only gives you as mant points as a win in race one, so you will still be behind the winner and probablt top 5(at least) or race one (thats assuming they finish the 2nd race) Reverse grids will not decide the champion if people take it easy.
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 09:29 (Ref:1572918)   #15
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marcus has a real shot at the podium!marcus has a real shot at the podium!marcus has a real shot at the podium!marcus has a real shot at the podium!
BJR have to be considered as well , they can run fairly well at times.

Morris will be hard to pass but the rat has been slowly getting better so Im assuming he wont be that far towards the front for the reverse grid race (I could be wrong)

I would have said DJR as well but with the arrival of Davison the team has certainly improved this year.

Maybe the valvoline boys could benefit as well.

Its hard to say but it will be interesting to see how it all plays out AND how long before they decide that reverse grid isnt the way to go.

i like it for the spectacle but it does scramble things a little to much for purists
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Old 7 Apr 2006, 13:45 (Ref:1573121)   #16
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Will there be mandatory pit stops? If so, the top guys will go for clean air early to avoid passing mobile chicanes.....still, I feel the best bet is to go hard in race 1, cautious in race 2 and consolidate in race 3. Seems fairly simple eh?
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Old 8 Apr 2006, 00:45 (Ref:1573546)   #17
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tander did alright from the back at the gp. lowndes will do well too.
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Old 8 Apr 2006, 04:18 (Ref:1573581)   #18
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If they can find some mumbo for the Falcon watch Courtney....In Japan he was renowned for his through the pack drives when jumping into a car his co-driver had managed to reverse through the pack!
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Old 8 Apr 2006, 07:18 (Ref:1573632)   #19
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I double checked the sup regs for NZ and pit stops are in, so I cant see that these wont be used to break up the field. with a 50 lap race though, early pit stops could be a hindrance for tyre wear.
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I'd expect Lowndes to carve thru Race 2 as easy as leading race 1

And certainly Bowe will gain from RG format.

Not too sure whether the Kelly boys will do too well in Race 2, but all 4 TWG cars seem to get up to speed very quickly so far this year, so it may not have major impact.

A couple of other drivers that will manage to get thru the traffic well will be Ingall, McConville and SJohnson.

The biggest challenge though will be to line up for Race 3 with a car that hasn't been busted up by Race 2.......... time will tell if RG's work for a now more mature and competitive series.
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The points system will dictate the outcome more than anything. If you take the time to look at them, there is no big rush to get to the front of race 2.
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Old 11 Apr 2006, 04:22 (Ref:1578203)   #22
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Except that the grid for race 3 is based on the outcome of race 2!
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Except that the grid for race 3 is based on the outcome of race 2!
Not entirely, the grid for race 3 is the aggregate of the Race 1 and 2 points. Race 1 position is "twice" as important you might say
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Except that the grid for race 3 is based on the outcome of race 2!
Not exactly. Race 3's grid is from a combination of the points scores from the first two races:

6.1.3 RACE 3 (where applicable)
Grid positions will be determined by:
6.1.3.1 (a) The combined Championship points received from Races 1 and 2;
(b) The Driver with the highest Championship points score’ will be assigned the pole position for race 3, the Driver with the second highest Championship points score’ will be assigned the second grid position for race 3 and so on;
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Old 11 Apr 2006, 04:46 (Ref:1578212)   #25
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That's right.

And with Race 2 points only worth half value then it will be a survival type race more than anything.

Race 1 will be the important one to do well in.
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