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3 Jul 2023, 19:01 (Ref:4166587) | #1 | ||
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I'm not sure if there is general LMP3 thread somewhere...
The Nissan V8 will be replaced with a twin turbo V6 from 2025. It's going to be a lot quieter. And the four authorised constructors have been re-appointed. You have to wonder why. With no one buying Ginettas and Adesses, why not just open it up to anyone and keep the price cap? https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/...from-2025.html |
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4 Jul 2023, 14:23 (Ref:4166696) | #2 | ||
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Well, since everybody else is getting an upgrade why not P3. With teams moving up everywhere, it makes sense to trade in that old, heavy V8 for a slim, trim twin turbo V6. Better power delivery with fuel economy, teams will like that.
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Does Adess even make the car any more? IMSA has a decent number of Duqueine running and often winning but it seems like the Ligier has great club buy in and HSR will be adding the current cars next year as well. Usually 5-10 P3s running at their events |
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Won't sound the same though......
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4 Jul 2023, 16:49 (Ref:4166721) | #5 | |
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Just irritates me. Yet another great sound gone from motorsport.
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6 Dec 2023, 05:54 (Ref:4188411) | #6 | |
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2025 LMP3-V6 Toyota Twin Turbo Engine
Was wondering what is going to happen in the LMP3 Class, when they switch to the Toyota turbo engine for 2025?
Will Ligier, Duqueine, Ginetta & Adess be allowed to design new cars to suit the engine? Or will it only be the existing chassis, with an update kit for the engine? |
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6 Dec 2023, 11:47 (Ref:4188425) | #7 | |
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From what I remember new engine was supposed to be provided by Oreca and since they don't design and build engine themselves, good question is who might be their partner. So how do you know it will be Toyota? About cars, normally I'd expect new gen since current cars will be 5 years old in 2025 and there was 5 year gap between current-gen LMP3s and previous-gen LMP3s. But... who knows, maybe there will be some cost cutting and adapting existing cars to new engine. Time will tell
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Sounds like updating current chassis and not a full new chassis. In practice this is only Ligier and Duqueine. |
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9 Dec 2023, 12:32 (Ref:4188724) | #9 | |
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https://www.motorsport.com/lemans/ne...ouse/10556075/
Looks like these guys want to supply new LMP3 engines themselves without any extra partnership. And they're very much into hydrogen racing. |
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10 Jan 2024, 11:56 (Ref:4191296) | #11 | ||
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I would base very little on anything Ginetta are saying they have flattered to deceive numerous times in prototype racing in recent years. They will just want customers for very overpriced cars as their main stock has to be costed fairer.
I am not am fan of LMP3 to honest, usually from IMSA where just about every yellow flag you see is caused by one of these damn thing driven by some rich berk in far over his head. Noise, meh, when it is every car it becomes less interesting |
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10 Jan 2024, 13:32 (Ref:4191309) | #13 | |
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Yeah I don't agree with blaming LMP3.
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10 Jan 2024, 13:42 (Ref:4191312) | #14 | |
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Ginetta's struggles have been widely reported and certainly not all on their part. Glad to see them still 'in the game' and ready to continue to have a presence, especially given the increased monotonicity nowadays.
I wish there were more 'Ginettas' these days! |
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Agreed, I hope they can pick up some customers in the bigger series. We need more prototype variety below Hypercar.
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How much are Ginettas? Are they expensive? My minimal research suggests £80k +VAT for a G56 GTA. Doesn’t seem stupidly outrageous.
https://www.evo.co.uk/ginetta/205906...the-gt-academy What equivalent undercuts it? This is a genuine question. |
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Would be nice but honestly it's so hard to overcome Ligier's monopoly in LMP3. From buyer's perspective, why would you go for an alternative when you have a well proven option available? Even Duqueine's LMP3 which is a good car is struggling compared to Ligier's when it comes to numbers. Good price for the car is obviously something that might attract customers but how low can Ginetta go?
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Sorry for the times I have been routinely watching IMSA past few years I must be unlucky but SOOOO many incidents are caused by LMP3, I know it probably is not the case, but when you see it, you see it every time. I think it is a lame class, often with some drivers that are very good abut some that are very very awful. And I simply do not see why it needs to be in a premier series.
I do not want every race start to finish and obviously not every yellow is the same, but I do see an awful lot of LMP3 incidents, and when you think there are less of them... |
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I do watch them all and do pay attention to it as people love to whine about GTD or LMP2/3 drivers in one their head. And often it's a pro driver trying to make a move on said Am who instigates the incident. Then you see an Am trying to recover so it's ahh, see another LMP3 car off track
There are exceptions, see Merriman and a few others, but for the most part and IMSA data backs it up, they aren't given any more incident responsibility calls than the pros |
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New Ginetta series.
https://www.dailysportscar.com/2024/...mpionship.html I’m still curious how their pricing compares. |
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But their LMP3 is a different beast compared to their G56 and G40. |
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Adess reveals new AD25. It would be nice if someone ran one of these.
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms...ad25-lmp3-car/ |
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Chance it could end up running in IMSA, at least it's had variety so far but better be cheaper or Ligier/Duquiene although their numbers seemed to drop this year. And teams can sell their current cars on the HSR teams as they have an LMP3 series within the histotric series
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4 Jul 2024, 17:24 (Ref:4217782) | #24 | ||
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And Ginetta pushing on too with a couple of teams apparently interested
https://www.dailysportscar.com/2024/...rack-test.html |
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