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6 Dec 2015, 16:00 (Ref:3595915) | #1 | ||
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Class 1 Touring Cars
I read somewhere that both BMW and Audi built prototypes for Class 1 in the DTM in 1993. Does anyone know if this is true, and, if so, have any more details?
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There are plenty of pictures of the Audi on the internet.... Google is your friend. Not too sure about the bimmer, might have been an intermediary/modified Gr.A car like the first C-class?
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Here's the Audi:
The only BMW I know that comes close is this one, but that was a private effort (Lindner): Then in 1994 there was this one, also privateer. I don't know if it was an evolution of the Lindner one or a new effort? There are also stories that the BMW E36 GTR was originally developed for DTM, only to be 'relocated' to GT-racing later. I never found confirmation for that story though: Last edited by Bramzel; 6 Dec 2015 at 17:02. Reason: new pics found |
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Great looking cars. |
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The Audi looked really good. What a shame they didn't push ahead with a factory team.
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With these dark tinted windows it looks more like a mockup car.
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6 Dec 2015, 20:33 (Ref:3595957) | #8 | ||
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There were two of those Audi chassies made, one is in the Audi museum and the other one is in Sweden (or atleast was a coupe of years ago) in private hands.
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Awesome, I've never seem that image before!
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Although I'm very glad Audi and BMW went the Supertouring way, being two of the absolute top manufacturers and undoubtedly the two who drove STW up to the level it was at, I cant stop thinking how DTM and ITC would have looked had they both decided to go Class 1 racing instead.
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Proper touring cars.
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I think this was also the basis of the BMW Art car of Sandro Chia
http://www.bmwartcarcollection.com/2...-bmw-art-car/# |
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Would they build a supertouring Mercedes or did they actually build one? Because I've also heard rumours that Mercedes did actually build a class 2 prototype. Now I doubt that Mercedes would have built a car just to race in STW, as STW just didn't have quite the reputation of DTM. But I would have always thought that BTCC in the 90's would have been a nice playground for Mercedes. However, after the end of the ITC, Mercedes' then-chairman clearly said that a brand such as Mercedes shouldn't run alongside these "tin boxes". A shame and one reason while I don't particularly like Mercedes' racing division.
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But when the ITC folded they built the beautiful CLK-GTR, so I can't criticise too much. Would have been nice to have seen a Super Touring C-Class, though - anyone have any more info?
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That arrogance is one of the reasons I don't really like Mercedes.
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Is it the 1993 Prodrive BTCC entry you guys are thinking of? It was supposed to do a few races towards the end of the year with Tim Sugden driving, but as you say Mercedes weren't a fan of Class 2
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No, this would have been a works entry in 1994 or 1995, although DR could well have been courting Benz at the same time as Alfa😉
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Hello! It's correct, Mercedes build a Class II Showcar and also a race engine. In the beginning of 1993, AMG build a Class II-Engine and later in the year they presented the engine and a showcar based on the C-Class (W202) to Helmut Werner, chairman of Mercedes. But Mercedes say no to the Showcar and yes to continue the Class 1 programme. Greetings, Thorsten |
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