Cost of WTCC 2014?

[truebeliever]

Just curious as to what the new cars will push up the budgets for 2014?

Anyone have any guesses, or comparisons on what teams are spending this year, what is an average budget to do WTCC anyway?

[kober]

Not an exact number, but according to Citroen Racing's Yves Matton a season in WTCC costs one-fourth of a WRC season.

From what I've found, their WRC budget is about 25-35M euros, thus their WTCC budget would be about 6-9M euros. I don't think that the numbers include drivers' salaries, especially Loeb's.

[FIRE]

According Tom Coronel costs will 2.5 times higher in 2014.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by FIRE

According Tom Coronel costs will 2.5 times higher in 2014.

I heard also at least double the cost in 2014.
The new rml cruzes will be nearly half million euro's each not including engine!

[Speed-King]

[BtccLee]

Well the WTCC has acknowledged manufactures as its target so I don't imagine costs neccessarily come into it. Just as the BTCC chose privateers so costs did come into it. Different target entrants...

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by BtccLee

Well the WTCC has acknowledged manufactures as its target so I don't imagine costs neccessarily come into it. Just as the BTCC chose privateers so costs did come into it. Different target entrants...

DTM/ITC had manufacturers as their target as well, and yet Class 1 collapsed after 4 years. The new WTCC-regs kind of remind me of Class 1, in so far that also seems to follow the "touring cars on steroids and then some" approach.

And like Audi back then, Seat dabbled with the idea of joining, but then decided against it.

[porsche962fan]

so can we expect some current WTCC privateers ditching WTCC and joing BTCC or other series ?

[Bramzel]

I can't see them joining BTCC to be honest, ETCC or Superstars/-league more likely.

[Metzo]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

DTM/ITC had manufacturers as their target as well, and yet Class 1 collapsed after 4 years. The new WTCC-regs kind of remind me of Class 1, in so far that also seems to follow the "touring cars on steroids and then some" approach.

except that class 1 cars were full with high tech, more than f1 cars at the time(and probably even today). the unlimted technology in those cars made the costs explode , thats what killed itc. the new wtcc cars are far away from class 1.

[kober]

So, what exactly in the 2014 regs makes them so expensive (compared to 2011)?

[Andrew Abbott]

Originally Posted by kober

So, what exactly in the 2014 regs makes them so expensive (compared to 2011)?

The build and development costs associated with having to build a new car. I would not expect the running costs once cars are built to be much different.

[RED55]

WTCC costs are high because of its Global nature and the logistics and staff levels account for much of the budgets. The Cars themselves are not too bad and wont really cost anymore than a WRC car , Citroen have realised they need to cover the Asian / Pan American markets and have the bonus of using their GRE motor used in the WRC cars. RML need 6-8 customers paying a high price for the Cruzes step up modifications and supply of their GRE motor to make it a sensible business model.

We have lost that Global apeal of supertouring because each country now has its own format with all kinds of weird ways to control costs.

I dare say if BMW were to develop a new WTCC car they would fill the grid overnight as they did with s2000, I actually think the WTCC regs technically are more sensible than people give them credit for, the problem is manufacturers really have a big task convincing themselves that spending on motor racing gives them a return on car sales so they decline to get involved.

What we are missing is a Global touring car formula like s2000 but with say NGTC engine costs and new WTCC suspension regs , forget the control subframes etc , we should have costs capped for components like brakes , gearboxes etc, but allow different suppliers to compete within a given cost restriction, you have to allow the racing industry suppliers to compete in engineering terms rather than fixing costs from one supplier.

[Loran]

New WTCC cars are not worth 1.5 million euros. This is the cost of expenses for the entire season. This year it was at the level of 1-1.2 million.
The cost of preparation of cars become more expensive by about 20%.

[auroan]

Originally Posted by RED55

What we are missing is a Global touring car formula like s2000 but with say NGTC engine costs and new WTCC suspension regs , forget the control subframes etc , we should have costs capped for components like brakes , gearboxes etc, but allow different suppliers to compete within a given cost restriction, you have to allow the racing industry suppliers to compete in engineering terms rather than fixing costs from one supplier.

I disagree. The most expensive components of any WTCC touring car after the engine is the suspension/geo development. Brakes, gearboxes etc are pretty much std costs as there is competition between suppliers.

That's why NGTC went with spec subframes.

[DS"]

I really doubt that a new WTCC car will cost 750.000 €. Even a modern DTM car only costs between 500.000 and 600.000 €. Although I'm sure that these new cars aren't cheap. They are still based off production vehicles, but require even more modifications.

But as long as the WTCC keeps a stable number of manufacturers, I see nothing but good things for them in the future. I getting more and more disappointed by DTM, since the great expectations from 2012 weren't really fulfilled. I think I put my bets on the WTCC again.

[Loran]

Originally Posted by DS"

I really doubt that a new WTCC car will cost 750.000 €. Even a modern DTM car only costs between 500.000 and 600.000 €. Although I'm sure that these new cars aren't cheap. They are still based off production vehicles, but require even more modifications.

The cost of new cars WTCC will be 300-400 thousand euros, depending on the manufacturer. For private teams.
Perhaps the first factory cars will cost up to 500,000 euros, taking into account their development.
A year later, a car drove through the season will be sold to private owners with a good discount. Clearly less than 300,000 euros.

[auroan]

There is a disconnect though between the purchase costs of a vehicle and the development / build costs.

More cars made equals cheaper price per car sold. If it costs £1m to develop and build a car and you will only sell one of them... then it means you HAVE to sell it at at least £1m just to recover your costs.

So if RML need to sell 6+ cars at the figure quoted and return a profit... you can bet your bottom doller the actual build and development costs are massively more than the car's "purchase" price.

[RED55]

Originally Posted by auroan

I disagree. The most expensive components of any WTCC touring car after the engine is the suspension/geo development. Brakes, gearboxes etc are pretty much std costs as there is competition between suppliers.

That's why NGTC went with spec subframes.

And this is why WTCC is aimed at the manufacturer so they can input the most into the most important parts of the car and along with WRC the only saloon series where supplier competition is possible ,

BTCC for example , Brakes, Gearbox , Dampers, Clutch , Fuel tank, wheels, electrics etc are all controlled so that is better for the private teams.

But what I was getting at is that a team in BTCC for example cannot utilise its cars in WTCC or visa versa ,where before with supertouring and s2000 regs , teams like WSR and BMW and Chevrolet and Seat , have been able to do both because the regs were Global which then allows private teams to compete with the factory cars.

I guess times have to change but component engineering competition has to be allowed and it is in WTCC.

[auroan]

Originally Posted by RED55

I guess times have to change but component engineering competition has to be allowed and it is in WTCC.

I agree... but only if there are sufficient manufacturers to provide said cars.