Qually update

Marbot · 9 Mar 2006, 19:08 (Ref:1541888)

Stop and yer out!http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Sto...~id~126333.htm

Marbot · 9 Mar 2006, 20:15 (Ref:1541923)

For those interested the new rule is 116a.http://www.fia.com/resources/documen...EGULATIONS.pdf

Rich D · 10 Mar 2006, 14:22 (Ref:1542888)

So that's good -- can see cars now trying to limp back to the pits, dropping oil, fluids and debris everywherre....And then we have to shut down for 10 minutes to clean it all up again! We'll see.....

**Adam43** · 10 Mar 2006, 15:53 (Ref:1542971)

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Originally Posted by Rich D

So that's good -- can see cars now trying to limp back to the pits, dropping oil, fluids and debris everywherre....And then we have to shut down for 10 minutes to clean it all up again! We'll see.....

Of course there was already an 'advantage' to doing this in previous qualifying formats.

maximus · 10 Mar 2006, 16:45 (Ref:1543008)

This is just stupid. So once again a driver is penalised unfairly. Why can't it be like the old days where a driver could just run back into the pits where there would be a mad scramble to get the spare car ready. That used to excite me far more than anything we have seen in the past few seasons.

A poor regulation decision once again.

**Adam43** · 10 Mar 2006, 16:49 (Ref:1543013)

Best cockney voice: It's an outrage I tell you.

It'll make little difference. There aren't any usuable spare cars anyway and how much time do they actually have to get everything ready. In one lap qualifying they didn't have this option anyway.

**Peter Mallett** · 10 Mar 2006, 16:54 (Ref:1543016)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Best cockney voice: It's an outrage I tell you.

Nah Adam sloik vis innit. [Dick Van Dyke]"'san ou'rage oi tell yer".[/Dick Van Dyke]

BootsOntheSide · 10 Mar 2006, 17:04 (Ref:1543019)

People complain when the attention is taken away from the driver, and now they're complaining about a rule which ensures that driving errors are accurately penalised? Strange. Adam has corectly spotted that there are no spare cars anymore - the change removes an imbalance in terms of how long it takes to return cars at different circutis. In any case, a slightly-damaged car might have attempted to get as close to the pits as possible while dropping debris before this rule change.

roys1 · 10 Mar 2006, 17:22 (Ref:1543032)

>>> looking at the regulation it does not say that you will be dropped places, it only says you can take no further part in that session...

Dutton · 10 Mar 2006, 18:41 (Ref:1543096)

What it does is prevent you from improving. So, whatever the minimum is that that time can attain is all you get.

So, if, for example, you set a time that qualifies you for the next "session", but then come to a stop on track, then the best you can achieve is the last spot of the next session.

It is not a direct demotion, but it is potentially less than you otherwise may have achieved.

Marbot · 10 Mar 2006, 18:46 (Ref:1543098)

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Originally Posted by roys1

>>> looking at the regulation it does not say that you will be dropped places, it only says you can take no further part in that session...

You are returned to parc ferme and will take no further part in qualifying.

Dutton · 10 Mar 2006, 18:51 (Ref:1543105)

Do they enter qualy from parc ferme conditions?

117) Each car will be deemed to be in parc fermé from the time at which it leaves the pit lane for the first time during qualifying practice until the green lights are illuminated at the start of the formation lap which immediately precedes the start of the race.

I'm not being picky under the guise of knowing the answer. I am asking because I want to clarify whether or not I am missing something.

roys1 · 10 Mar 2006, 19:22 (Ref:1543130)

Martyn, read it again it says SESSION not qualifying... qually is now split into 3 sessions.
ie if you stop in session 1 that does not stop you from sessions 2/3

Dutton · 10 Mar 2006, 19:29 (Ref:1543134)

Read the regulations.

They don't speak of qualifying being split into different "sessions". They talk about the qualifying session as one whole.

The different segments are "periods".

Thus, the regulations mean the entire 60-minute duration when they refer to the "session".

roys1 · 10 Mar 2006, 19:59 (Ref:1543150)

Thanks Dutton, it now seems as clear as mud lol.
But i believe i now understand it......

Dutton · 10 Mar 2006, 20:13 (Ref:1543157)

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Originally Posted by 2006 F1 Sporting Regulations

115) The qualifying practice session will take place on the day before the race from 14.00 to 15.00.

The session will be run as follows :

a) From 14.00 to 14.15 all cars will be permitted on the track and at the end of this period the slowest five cars, taking into account only laps which were completed before the end of the period, will be prohibited from taking any further part in the session.

Lap times achieved by the fifteen remaining cars will then be deleted.

b) From 14.20 to 14.35 the fifteen remaining cars will be permitted on the track and at the end of this period the slowest five cars, taking into account only laps which were completed before the end of the period, will be prohibited from taking any further part in the session.

Lap times achieved by the ten remaining cars will then be deleted.

c) From 14.40 to 15.00 the ten remaining cars will be permitted on the track.

The above procedure is based upon a Championship entry of 20 cars. If 22 are entered six cars will be excluded after each of the periods a) and b) and, if 24 are entered, six cars will be excluded after each of the periods a) and b) leaving 12 cars eligible for period c).

116)

a) Any driver whose car stops on the circuit during the qualifying session will not be permitted to take any further part in the session. Any car which stops on the circuit during the qualifying session, and which is returned to the pits before the end of the session, will be held in parc ferme until the end of the session.

b) If, in the opinion of the stewards, a driver deliberately stops on the circuit or impedes another driver in any way during the qualifying practice session his times will be cancelled.

116 is the most relevant article, but I included the others to show how the different parts are called periods.

When taken all together, it is very simple.

If a car stops out on track, at any point during the 60-minute duration of the qualifying session, then they can take no further part in the session (i.e. if there is 43 minutes left, then the driver may not partake in any of the remaining 43 minutes).

I honestly do not see how it can be clearer.

Bleu · 10 Mar 2006, 21:56 (Ref:1543219)

In the first two segments, the segment ends when time is out. I think the usual rule is used in last part. (driver is allowed to finish a lap if he started it before time ran out)

Dutton · 10 Mar 2006, 22:02 (Ref:1543222)

We are talking about the driver not continuing due to stopping out on track, not the lap/flag question. Unless I am mistaken.

I am not sure about the point you raised.

Marbot · 11 Mar 2006, 01:04 (Ref:1543306)

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Originally Posted by Bleu

In the first two segments, the segment ends when time is out. I think the usual rule is used in last part. (driver is allowed to finish a lap if he started it before time ran out)

Driver must finish his lap within the time alloted,in the three periods.Laps can no longer be counted if you start a lap just before the flag is waved to signify that the time period is up.

Marbot · 15 Mar 2006, 18:41 (Ref:1549704)

Possible changes to qually..................again!http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=35259

Dutton · 15 Mar 2006, 19:37 (Ref:1549729)

Incidentally, martyn, it seems the drivers can run their last laps like the old way in the final period.

Yep, I wouldn't be surprised to see the cruising aspect altered. It was always going to be like that, given that situation.

It doesn't bother me to see the teams doing it, but it does seem rather pointless.

Marbot · 15 Mar 2006, 20:13 (Ref:1549767)

Don't really see the point of the fuel credit laps,at least not from the casual viewer point of view anyway.

They ought to make the last 20 minutes into a mini-race.Now that would be something special.

ausracefan · 16 Mar 2006, 00:24 (Ref:1549955)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Incidentally, martyn, it seems the drivers can run their last laps like the old way in the final period.

Yep, I wouldn't be surprised to see the cruising aspect altered. It was always going to be like that, given that situation.

It doesn't bother me to see the teams doing it, but it does seem rather pointless.

Especially if they time their hot lap too late in the period. Imagine Ferrari being knocked in the first period because they timed their hot lap too late

JABWOA · 16 Mar 2006, 01:09 (Ref:1549963)

Simple solution - all cars run same size fuel tanks, and all cars start on full tanks. Then you can circulate to run the fuel down, or leave em heavy. Fuel left after Qual is race start fuel.

Dutton · 16 Mar 2006, 02:37 (Ref:1549984)

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Originally Posted by ausracefan

Especially if they time their hot lap too late in the period. Imagine Ferrari being knocked in the first period because they timed their hot lap too late

Well, in the first and second periods that could happen.

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