Homebush 2013 To Hold Twilight Meeting?

[GTRMagic]

I reckon it would be awesome to have one of these on a Friday night...

[GTRMagic]

Its seems that The Daily Telegraph has a scoop, written by Mr Phelps, and no linked to the web as yet, the story describes how Mr Warburton is still in discussions with Destination NSW about continuing the government support for the Homebush race meeting for a further 5 years

Apparently, according to the story, written by V8Supercars' own James Phelps, the final race of the season is set to run on Saturday night, from early evening to 8.30pm... no lighting for the track, the cars to rely on their headlights for vision (lucky they arent painted on huh..)

Interesting possibility... would likely be a lower temperature for the fans.. although what might be scheduled for the Sunday would be fun to understand...

[Umai Naa]

Friday night, Saturday night, scratch Sunday?

[D.R.T.]

Fingers crossed Destination NSW arent duped into another 5 years of falling attendences and economic benefits.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Its seems that The Daily Telegraph has a scoop, written by Mr Phelps, and no linked to the web as yet, the story describes how Mr Warburton is still in discussions with Destination NSW about continuing the government support for the Homebush race meeting for a further 5 years

Apparently, according to the story, written by V8Supercars' own James Phelps, the final race of the season is set to run on Saturday night, from early evening to 8.30pm... no lighting for the track, the cars to rely on their headlights for vision (lucky they arent painted on huh..)

Interesting possibility... would likely be a lower temperature for the fans.. although what might be scheduled for the Sunday would be fun to understand...

Does this mean they might be doing away with the post-race concerts which was one of the supposed major attractions to the event?

Nothing has been announced on that front as yet.

Could work if done right.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by one five five

Does this mean they might be doing away with the post-race concerts which was one of the supposed major attractions to the event?

Nothing has been announced on that front as yet.

Could work if done right.

The sound of the Mercedes V8 Supercar is the concert.

I can't wait for this; I don't follow V8 Supercars much but I usually tune in for Adelaide, Sandown, Bathurst, Gold Coast, and Homebush. This should be epic... I love the idea of finishing the series in the twilight. What a way to spend a Friday and Saturday night - I'm tempted to fly down there!

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Fingers crossed Destination NSW arent duped into another 5 years of falling attendences and economic benefits.

I hope the contract is extended for 10 more years with more options after that.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I hope the contract is extended for 10 more years with more options after that.

+1

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I hope the contract is extended for 10 more years with more options after that.

Hope - based on the success against KPIs from the first 5 year contract?????

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Hope - based on the success against KPIs from the first 5 year contract?????

of course , why would anyone who calls them self a motorsport fan not want this race to go ahead.

Australias top catagory, racing in front of 60,000 plus people. Thats fantastic

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

of course , why would anyone who calls them self a motorsport fan not want this race to go ahead.

As it comes at the expense of other Motorsport events.

I also don't see the point of selling a race funded by tax payer money on KPIs if your not going to be held accountable to it, regardless of being a Motorsport fan or not.

I can think of plenty of Motorsport categories or sports that would take $50 million to hold races and not be accountable to the results or outcomes of the event.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

As it comes at the expense of other Motorsport events.

I also don't see the point of selling a race funded by tax payer money on KPIs if your not going to be held accountable to it, regardless of being a Motorsport fan or not.

I can think of plenty of Motorsport categories or sports that would take $50 million to hold races and not be accountable to the results or outcomes of the event.

The good people at Destination NSW will make their own assessment of the economic viability and benefits before making the offer for an extended deal. So if they are satisfied with the outcomes, why shouldnt we be too?

Or should we hold V8Supercar to a higher standard to appease the ARDC/Eastern Creek apologists? How's Amaroo Park going for you guys?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The good people at Destination NSW will make their own assessment of the economic viability and benefits before making the offer for an extended deal. So if they are satisfied with the outcomes, why shouldnt we be too?

And so they will however the Auditor Generals office has already done this for us - with those figures falling annually since then.

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Or should we hold V8Supercar to a higher standard to appease the ARDC/Eastern Creek apologists? How's Amaroo Park going for you guys?

We should hold V8SC to the same standards as other businesses would be.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

As it comes at the expense of other Motorsport events.

I also don't see the point of selling a race funded by tax payer money on KPIs if your not going to be held accountable to it, regardless of being a Motorsport fan or not.

I can think of plenty of Motorsport categories or sports that would take $50 million to hold races and not be accountable to the results or outcomes of the event.

What motorsport event hasd it come at the expense of DRT, as far as i can see it has given us a new event and no event has missed out as a result.

you cant think of any motorsport categories that would spend 50 million over a number of years (do you have a source for that number) and would get anywhere near the the results of the the v8 race. Certainly you couldn't do it with F1 and i would be doubtful you would find any other category that would pull the numbers and give the return

By the way what do you base the lack of return on, it certainly wasn't in the auditors report you posted previously

[one five five]

glad to see this thread is still about the Homebush race running into twilight...

[GTRMagic]

A twilight event makes great sense... Homebush is an interesting choice... with the crash and bash of the regular pilots anyway, making vision less than 100%, I wonder whether it will make that unwanted attraction actually worse?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

By the way what do you base the lack of return on, it certainly wasn't in the auditors report you posted previously

Understanding the need to keep this closer to first post, just wanted to link the below findings from the AG report to put the above point in context

However, we concluded that:
 Government received inadequate advice when assessing the proposal
 Post-event analysis indicates that costs are more than planned and that economic impacts are less than estimated largely because of fewer visitors from interstate.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Understanding the need to keep this closer to first post, just wanted to link the below findings from the AG report to put the above point in context

But thats hardly shows that a night race is not beneficial and hardly shows that the event not be extended.

it just suggests that the government should be wiser with there assumptions next calculation

[mountainstar]

Sounds good to me.

[GTRMagic]

Looks like someone at SpeedCafe had their mum or dad send them a copy of the Sunday Telegraph... took them a long time to jump on the bandwagonArticle Here



Hombush Twilight 500... sounds nice doesnt it? Maybe get Endeavour Energy or someone similar to sponsor it...

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The good people at Destination NSW will make their own assessment of the economic viability and benefits before making the offer for an extended deal. So if they are satisfied with the outcomes, why shouldnt we be too?

Or should we hold V8Supercar to a higher standard to appease the ARDC/Eastern Creek apologists? How's Amaroo Park going for you guys?

They did initially. They rejected it 6 years ago but were over ruled by the Premier's office after V8s paid a 'donation' of around 30K to Ian MacDonald and the Premier was personally lobbied by John Hartigan & Kerry Stokes.

I want high-profile events for V8s. Given that Eastern Creek received its upgrade money, I'm not as concerned about the impact there.

But without repeating myself from years ago, this event is at an ordinary location, rubbish circuit at the wrong time of year. I mean who has a holiday 2-3 weeks before Xmas to go to a car race?

It's run well, is ok to go to, but it has never stood up as a worthwhile investment for NSW taxpayers.

The promotion for it has focused on concerts, which means even its own promoters know it can't stand up as an event on its own and it has had fewer spectators year on year and absolutely stuff-all tourists.

V8s are desperate for it for two reasons:
1) They need 'events' as opposed to rounds to increase interest for the next TV deal. Street races get more ratings than regular rounds.
2) They would have to go back to Eastern Creek. Or commit commercial suicide by not having a round in the business capital of Australia.

I don't know if they'll get the Libs to back it - I'd be surprised if they do, but crazier stuff has happened - but unless V8s can show how they'll turn it around and make it a genuine tourist destination event, as a taxpayer I don't want it back.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

They did initially. They rejected it 6 years ago but were over ruled by the Premier's office after V8s paid a 'donation' of around 30K to Ian MacDonald and the Premier was personally lobbied by John Hartigan & Kerry Stokes.

I want high-profile events for V8s. Given that Eastern Creek received its upgrade money, I'm not as concerned about the impact there.

But without repeating myself from years ago, this event is at an ordinary location, rubbish circuit at the wrong time of year. I mean who has a holiday 2-3 weeks before Xmas to go to a car race?

It's run well, is ok to go to, but it has never stood up as a worthwhile investment for NSW taxpayers.

The promotion for it has focused on concerts, which means even its own promoters know it can't stand up as an event on its own and it has had fewer spectators year on year and absolutely stuff-all tourists.

V8s are desperate for it for two reasons:
1) They need 'events' as opposed to rounds to increase interest for the next TV deal. Street races get more ratings than regular rounds.
2) They would have to go back to Eastern Creek. Or commit commercial suicide by not having a round in the business capital of Australia.

I don't know if they'll get the Libs to back it - I'd be surprised if they do, but crazier stuff has happened - but unless V8s can show how they'll turn it around and make it a genuine tourist destination event, as a taxpayer I don't want it back.

If Destination NSW & friends strike a new deal for the Homebush event with V8Supercar, it will be a separate arrangement on its own merits wont it?

New government, new political party, new management of the Authority governing the facilities.

No apparently undue influence or duress from anywhere.

Eastern Creek can have its own round as well...

Perhaps they should get the ARDC to build a business case for it, detailing specifically how they will deliver on a spectator experience that draws more than 3 men and a dog to the race meeting.

They havent been successful at doing this so far, although this doesnt mean that they cant. Maybe they just dont want to.

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

If Destination NSW & friends strike a new deal for the Homebush event with V8Supercar, it will be a separate arrangement on its own merits wont it?

New government, new political party, new management of the Authority governing the facilities.

No apparently undue influence or duress from anywhere.

Eastern Creek can have its own round as well...

Perhaps they should get the ARDC to build a business case for it, detailing specifically how they will deliver on a spectator experience that draws more than 3 men and a dog to the race meeting.

They havent been successful at doing this so far, although this doesnt mean that they cant. Maybe they just dont want to.

Of course they will. And arguably they will be better informed/less gullibe than the previous mob. But at $6m a year (leaving aside the astronomical start-up costs) you could alternate bringing Oprah and Manchester United each year and get a far bigger economic benefit than V8s provides.

And maybe V8s can show us a business case where they can run a round without taxpayer funding. I mean they haven't been successful at doing this so far, although that doesn't mean they can't.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

Of course they will. And arguably they will be better informed/less gullibe than the previous mob. But at $6m a year (leaving aside the astronomical start-up costs) you could alternate bringing Oprah and Manchester United each year and get a far bigger economic benefit than V8s provides.

And maybe V8s can show us a business case where they can run a round without taxpayer funding. I mean they haven't been successful at doing this so far, although that doesn't mean they can't.

It would be unlikely that the level of largesse/support from Destination NSW will maintain its current level. There is recent precedent for this with the Qld trio being re-signed for a lower contribution from the state.

How about they bring out Manchester United again (cracking game against the AllStars by the way, who looked like an under 7s group at the local park) and play on the Saturday night??

V8Supercar does run rounds without government assistance. At Winton.

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

It would be unlikely that the level of largesse/support from Destination NSW will maintain its current level. There is recent precedent for this with the Qld trio being re-signed for a lower contribution from the state.

How about they bring out Manchester United again (cracking game against the AllStars by the way, who looked like an under 7s group at the local park) and play on the Saturday night??

V8Supercar does run rounds without government assistance. At Winton.

Yeah, I'd like to see V8s take away the venue where 19 of the 28 cars test because they don't get Govt money. That'll end well.

And actually your idea has merit - just substitute ManUtd for Cold Chisel, Guns'n'Roses etc - and that's already been the marketing plan for Homebush race.

At least if they used Man Utd, some of the 85,000 fans, many of whom came from interstate and OS, might come along to see it.

Although the Govt might just ask the question - if you're only promoting the concert, and that's what everyone's coming for - why do we need the cars?