Engel & Erebus - Both docked 102 points ??

ForumNick · 11 Dec 2013, 07:26 (Ref:3342608)

It appears that both Maro Engel & ErebusV8 have had the equivalent of all points scored at Winton, applied as penalties against their (Drivers & Teams) Championship points !

Natsoft are showing the Penalty Points, but all is very quiet on V8SC, Erebus, Ad-Cafe etc. websites. Why ???

peckstar · 11 Dec 2013, 07:36 (Ref:3342610)

v8 website is showing it also

Wiki has had the scores updated and uses the term "stripped"

however its only cars 9s points stripped from the team points

Langers · 11 Dec 2013, 08:25 (Ref:3342613)

Was he the one running E70?

MarcosAmbroseFan · 11 Dec 2013, 08:31 (Ref:3342615)

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Originally Posted by Langers

Was he the one running E70?

No...

3 cars were.

Caruso, Moffat & Engel

ForumNick · 11 Dec 2013, 08:41 (Ref:3342619)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

v8 website is showing it also...

Yes... but ONLY on (both) Points Tables (which possibly comes from Natsoft?)

BUT!!! Nothing in 'News' or 'Stewards Reports' or anywhere else

Why is it not being reported/explained on the 'official' / SpeedCafe / ErebusV8 websites

GTR... anything from the Powder Room ?

peckstar · 11 Dec 2013, 08:56 (Ref:3342623)

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Originally Posted by ForumNick

Yes... but ONLY on (both) Points Tables (which possibly comes from Natsoft?)

BUT!!! Nothing in 'News' or 'Stewards Reports' or anywhere else

Why is it not being reported/explained on the 'official' / SpeedCafe / ErebusV8 websites

GTR... anything from the Powder Room ?

agreed, nothing in the news sites anywhere. he finished all 3 races admitingly further back. so i wonder why

**GTRMagic** · 11 Dec 2013, 21:20 (Ref:3342873)

50 Points Penalty For Mr Engel

Umai Naa · 11 Dec 2013, 21:38 (Ref:3342887)

Wasn't there some issue with a team transporter as well?

peckstar · 11 Dec 2013, 21:41 (Ref:3342889)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

50 Points Penalty For Mr Engel

that explains 50 of his 152 penalty points, alas still 102 missing

**GTRMagic** · 11 Dec 2013, 21:51 (Ref:3342895)

Texas = 2x 25 point infringements Here

You can find all the Stewards summaries Here but it looks like the additional points happened beyond the regular CAMS updates

ForumNick · 11 Dec 2013, 22:11 (Ref:3342906)

Yes... I know all that, which is why I'm asking....

**GTRMagic** · 12 Dec 2013, 03:48 (Ref:3343010)

As I understand it, an engine from #9 was sent back to Germany for refurbishing at AMG/HWA. The seals were removed from the engine prior to sending without obtaining explicit approval of the category technical director before doing so.

So it appears that the Erebus AMG team & car #9 were penalised what seems to be 52 points for the oversight.

ForumNick · 12 Dec 2013, 04:14 (Ref:3343016)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

.... it appears that the Erebus AMG team & car #9 were penalised what seems to be 52 points for the oversight.

Actually 102 points!

So effectively, they get 'psuedo' excluded from Winton Results? Why Winton? Did they run the refurbished/unsealed engine there?

So many unanswered questions.

Still seems 'fishy' to me, that it's not being reported... !

**GTRMagic** · 12 Dec 2013, 05:09 (Ref:3343028)

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Originally Posted by ForumNick

Actually 102 points!

So effectively, they get 'psuedo' excluded from Winton Results? Why Winton? Did they run the refurbished/unsealed engine there?

So many unanswered questions.

Still seems 'fishy' to me, that it's not being reported... !

The sealing issue apparently happened at the team's home base at Yatala, not at a rave meeting. Why should meeting points be scrubbed for events that didnt happen at a race meeting?

Even if you gave Mr Engel back the 102 points, he would still be the lowest scoring regular series pilot.

peckstar · 16 Dec 2013, 21:20 (Ref:3344743)

ENGEL FUTURE IN LIMBO FOLLOWING V8 EXIT

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Adding insult to injury, Engel’s final points tally was recently docked 102 points after it emerged that the team had removed an engine seal without the permission of V8 Supercars mid-season.

possibly the source to this is this thread though

Umai Naa · 16 Dec 2013, 22:48 (Ref:3344777)

That, or they read it here first

naca · 17 Dec 2013, 00:12 (Ref:3344797)

I think one of the biggest problems with Mr Engel is that he still resided in Monaco this year and commuted to each race. I would have thought the right way to do it is to move to Australia like Mr Premat did.

somebodysb2 · 17 Dec 2013, 06:06 (Ref:3344863)

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Originally Posted by naca

I think one of the biggest problems with Mr Engel is that he still resided in Monaco this year and commuted to each race. I would have thought the right way to do it is to move to Australia like Mr Premat did.

He got pole and would've won the race at this year's Macau GT had his car not failed. So he's a very fast driver, capable of lapping quicker than guys like Mortara, but driving in a set of new tracks with a foreign car, he suffered.

Axeman444 · 17 Dec 2013, 22:11 (Ref:3345186)

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Originally Posted by naca

I think one of the biggest problems with Mr Engel is that he still resided in Monaco this year and commuted to each race. I would have thought the right way to do it is to move to Australia like Mr Premat did.

Maybe he was making sure he was on to a long term thing before moving? He (or Erebus?) must have dropped a bit of coin to commute to every round though

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