Lap records

[D.R.T.]

The following article by the exceptional James Phelps seems to paint Craig Lowndes as the current 'lap record' holder at Mount Panorama

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1225936205055

It appears that Phelps despite his wealth of motorsport knowledge doesn't understand that no one can set a lap record during practice sessions.

Jamie Whincup is the current lap record holder with a 2:08:4651 in 2007.

What great coverage the Telegraph is providing for V8SA

[mayhem]

Wowww.....

[Muznik]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

The following article by the exceptional James Phelps seems to paint Craig Lowndes as the current 'lap record' holder at Mount Panorama

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1225936205055

It appears that Phelps despite his wealth of motorsport knowledge doesn't understand that no one can set a lap record during practice sessions.

Jamie Whincup is the current lap record holder with a 2:08:4651 in 2007.

What great coverage the Telegraph is providing for V8SA

Pfffftttt...

If you had asked anyone last week who held the lap record they would have answered Greg Murphy.

Lowndes has the record as far as the major % of fans are concerned.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Muznik

If you had asked anyone last week who held the lap record they would have answered Greg Murphy.
Lowndes has the record as far as the major % of fans are concerned.

Is this not a poor reflection on the sport if the majority of its following doesn't understand its rules?

[PVDA]

Was Murf's record lap done in a Practice or Qualifying session??

[Muznik]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Is this not a poor reflection on the sport if the majority of its following doesn't understand its rules?

Nope its just a reflection of people who dont want to recognize an execptional effort. The majority of followers dont need to be told thru an official rule who holds the quickest lap, they know the truth.

Did you not watch the telecast today ?

The commentary team must of mentioned Lowndes lap a dozen times.
Funny no one mentioned Whincup's lap once.

The inteviewed Murph on his thoughts, never asked Jamie.

[GTRMagic]

Perhaps Mr Phelps was not clear, there are 2 lap records for the main game at Bathurst according to Natsoft, one is the practice lap record which includes all the practice, qualifying and shootout sessions, two is the race lap record

natsoft is technically correct in calling these out, and they appear on the timing screens all weekend

[Fast Ford]

Considering the way Supercars has evolved, Murphy would have probably though his lap time may never have been surpassed, the limitations on tyres being the main one, but I guess that even with limits to mechanical grip, realistically it had to happen.

Doesn't matter about what rules exist or not, all laps that are timed count, of course race laps are held separately to the rest.

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Was Murf's record lap done in a Practice or Qualifying session??

Shoot out

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Is this not a poor reflection on the sport if the majority of its following doesn't understand its rules?

Agree, the sport does not do enough to make some of its fundimental and long standing world wide rules and principles known to its followers.

Lap records are set in races, fastest lap of the circuit can be set anytime including during private testing

However, Bathurst is something special and we all acknowledge who is the fastest no matter when or how it is achieved.

Can anyone recall what speed the late Roger Freeth recorded down Conrod on the McIntosh Suzuki and has it been beaten? That is something else we should be honouring when we talk about men and the mountain

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Agree, the sport does not do enough to make some of its fundimental and long standing world wide rules and principles known to its followers.

So very true - as with all things V8SA there is more focus on hype than sporting substance.

[Muznik]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

So very true - as with all things V8SA there is more focus on hype than sporting substance.

What's the weather like up there DRT ??

Are you saying there is no sporting substance to Lowndes' achievment?

GTRMagic explained the lap record situation.

Obviously motorsport is not for you. How can you not appreciate a driver doing the quickest lap ever around one of the world's most demanding circuits?

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by Muznik

What's the weather like up there DRT ??

Are you saying there is no sporting substance to Lowndes' achievment?

GTRMagic explained the lap record situation.

Obviously motorsport is not for you. How can you not appreciate a driver doing the quickest lap ever around one of the world's most demanding circuits?

Look at it in a different perspective then...Player A has kicked 30 goals/scored 20 tries in a practice match. Yes, they managed to achieve a rather large feat, but it wasn't done in a game, so it's not a record.

In no other category of note is a practice/qualifying record even mentioned, only in the V8 circus. Maybe sports entertainment isn't DRT's cup of tea

[chavez]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

In no other category of note is a practice/qualifying record even mentioned, only in the V8 circus. Maybe sports entertainment isn't DRT's cup of tea

Really?

But, perhaps NASCAR and Indy Car aren't categories of note.

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by chavez

Really?

But, perhaps NASCAR and Indy Car aren't categories of note.

Well, neither of them are FIA Championships, or Championships sanctioned by the FIA, so maybe I'm right


I could have also managed to miss "that I can think of at this time" from that, cheers for pointing them out.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Anyone been watching the Commonwealth Games? They only count times achieved in a race, times achieved in practice don't count for anything.

[Fast Ford]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

Well, neither of them are FIA Championships, or Championships sanctioned by the FIA, so maybe I'm right


I could have also managed to miss "that I can think of at this time" from that, cheers for pointing them out.

you what ?? so only FIA sanctioned events can have records, . . what the. . .



Pretty sure practise and qualifying all count for individual circuit records, but race records are race lap recrods.


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[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by Fast Ford

you what ?? so only FIA sanctioned events can have records, . . what the. . .

You missed the point there...it was that Indycar and NASCAR can do whatever they feel like, with anything, whereas a FIA Championship or sanctioned event has certain rules that must be followed

Originally Posted by Fast Ford

Pretty sure practise and qualifying all count for individual circuit records, but race records are race lap recrods.

You better make sure before you're pretty sure then, because I would like you to name a single instance of this, aside from Bathurst, seeing as it is at the centre of this particular discussion.

[Woolley]

I think in pretty much any category, lap records (or course records in speed events)only count in a competitive event, although venues may sometimes quote an outright course record which happens at other times. Most F1 venues over the years have cars going much faster in qualifying but it's never given as the lap record.

[Axeman444]

regardless of the history and what every other sport does, IMO Murphy's lap is better than Lowndes for the pure fact the Murph goes on an out lap, does the time, and that's it. there is no couple of laps prior working into it and getting quicker everytime, as in Lowndes case.

the time differential required before one is better than the other though... not sure

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by Muznik

Pfffftttt...

If you had asked anyone last week who held the lap record they would have answered Greg Murphy.

Lowndes has the record as far as the major % of fans are concerned.

The general public also believe Pluto to be a planet and they believe Multiple Personality Disorder is Schizophrenia, and the end of the millenium was the year 2000 and that the first of the Bathurst enduros occurred in 1963. Just because the general public believe something, doesn't make it true.

Mythbusters has made a very successful television program about deconstructing myths and misconceptions. Do you want to perpetuate the myths, or spread the truth?

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by chavez

Really?

But, perhaps NASCAR and Indy Car aren't categories of note.

North America has always been markedly different in their approach to lap records. For example, they don't just include qualifying and practice, but also private testing!

So I don't believe Indycar and NASCAR to be valid comparisons.

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by Fast Ford

you what ?? so only FIA sanctioned events can have records, . . what the. . .

Pretty sure practise and qualifying all count for individual circuit records, but race records are race lap recrods.

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I'm not pretty sure you're wrong, I know you're wrong. Apologies.

Apart from anything else, a race record is the total elapsed time of the race, ie, Lowndes and Skaife are now the new owners of the Bathurst 1000 race record at 6 hours 12 minutes and change.

Qualifying has always been treated separately to race recorded laps. The only time lap record has ever been connected to the lap record was Greg Murphy's 2003 lap. Not at any other circuit in Australia, not any other qualifying lap. The Myth of Murphy's 'lap of the gods' has grown larger than the record keeping to the point where the public believe the myth.

Do you remember in race reprots and TV coverage over the year how often the phrase A Racing Driver has lapped X.X seconds under the lap record in qualifying? Do you remember how often it was said? It's not because cars were getting faster by seconds each year, it's because the media concerned were comparing qualifying times against race laps - because only race laps contributed to the lap record.

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by Woolley

I think in pretty much any category, lap records (or course records in speed events)only count in a competitive event, although venues may sometimes quote an outright course record which happens at other times. Most F1 venues over the years have cars going much faster in qualifying but it's never given as the lap record.

Wooley: the majority of times I've seen the phrase outright lap record - it's used when all different categories of racing car are combined to get a fastest ever race lap. At the majority of the big circuits in Europe its usually the Formula One race lap record, if F1 has raced there. Old Spa-Francorchamps though the outright lap record is a Group C Sports Car lap, but still a racing lap, they continued racing the old Spa well after F1 left for Nivelles and Zolder.

[PVDA]

I remember when the European Porsche Cup was imported for the F1GP several years ago they spent several days of shakedown testing at Winton.

When we told them what the V8 lap Record was they decided to smash the record which after a few days they certainly did but as it was done in testing it counts for nothing.