Change to the 2013 calendar...

[Mr V]

So, the FIA have announced that the German race, originally set for July 14th is to be moved forward by a week to July 7th and earmarking July 21st for a possible extra European race. Possibly Turkey? here

[NaBUru38]

Are these guys stupid or just plain evil? Let's see the July 5-7 races:

o- DTM and FIA F3 at Norisring
o- GT Tour at Val de Vienne
o- MotoGP at Sachsenring
o- V8 Supercars at Townsville
o- IndyCar at Pocono
o- ALMS at Lime Rock

[bonjour]

and dont forget the Festival Of Speed - Goodwood

[brands]

Originally Posted by bonjour

and dont forget the Festival Of Speed - Goodwood

I assume Charlie will move the FoS date back a week so the F1 teams can attend.
It's going to ruin my FoS and HSCC Superprix long weekend though

[wolfhound]

Bet the DTM boy won't be tooplease either.

[TrueBlueFlyer]

got me worried there for a second... already have flights booked to Australia and Malaysia that are non-changeable... eeek!!!


will the extra Euro-race be France as was speculated?

[p-matt]

Turkey is the venue most sites are mentioning, but I can't see it happen. A Turkey - Hungary back to back would be a logistical nightmare, and I think Turkey would want guarantees for more than just one race which Bernie won't give.

I'd say a race at the Red Bull Ring is much more likely

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Are these guys stupid or just plain evil? Let's see the July 5-7 races:

o- DTM and FIA F3 at Norisring
o- GT Tour at Val de Vienne
o- MotoGP at Sachsenring
o- V8 Supercars at Townsville
o- IndyCar at Pocono
o- ALMS at Lime Rock

ALMS at Lime Rock is a Saturday evening event European time.
V8s are overnight European time
Indycar would be evening Sunday European time.
So these thanks to time zones don't really clash.

DTM would be the biggest Issue, but then haven't MotoGP already moved their event back a week to the 7th in order to avoid clashing on the 14th?

[Spritle]

And now Austin is looking for a date change because of a football (American) game:

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/97056.html

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by p-matt

Turkey is the venue most sites are mentioning, but I can't see it happen. A Turkey - Hungary back to back would be a logistical nightmare, and I think Turkey would want guarantees for more than just one race which Bernie won't give.

I'd say a race at the Red Bull Ring is much more likely

The Turkish government won't be funding it here

[Bononi]

And now we're all going crazy !

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

ALMS at Lime Rock is a Saturday evening event European time.
V8s are overnight European time
Indycar would be evening Sunday European time.
So these thanks to time zones don't really clash.

That's true: race broadcasts don't clash. But media coverage does: if you have 3, 6 or 15 minutes of motorsport news, F1 occupies them each race.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by Bononi

And now we're all going crazy !

And it has not even started yet...

[blaffer]

It seems the chances of an Austrian GP at the Red Bull Ring are increasing.

[nicanary]

Originally Posted by blaffer

It seems the chances of an Austrian GP at the Red Bull Ring are increasing.

Because I'm a miserable cynic, I have to say "money talks".

Having got that off my chest, even an emasculated Osterreichring is preferable to most of the "Far East" dross.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by nicanary

Having got that off my chest, even an emasculated Osterreichring is preferable to most of the "Far East" dross.

And it is certainly, IMO, preferable to no race at all. In fact, any race is preferable to no race at all.

[TrueBlueFlyer]

Originally Posted by nicanary

Having got that off my chest, even an emasculated Osterreichring is preferable to most of the "Far East" dross.

what's wrong with the Far East venues?

[Clive Brown]

Marko also said that in a period of austerity across Europe, funding would be made available for a race. “There is the province of Styria, the Republic of Austria”, he added.

Literally, a case of the one-eyed leading the blind?

[nicanary]

Originally Posted by TrueBlueFlyer

what's wrong with the Far East venues?

They're mainly Berniedromes. The Japanese are the only (IMO) folks really interested in F1 racing.

[marcel82]

Originally Posted by nicanary

Because I'm a miserable cynic, I have to say "money talks".

Having got that off my chest, even an emasculated Osterreichring is preferable to most of the "Far East" dross.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebBtjE2Bzd4

track layout is exactly the same as it was in 2003. they just added a new pit/paddock-area.

I loved the A1-ring, good racing there, and I'll be happy to see it back in F1. even if it's only brought back to spice Bernie's wallet

[Purist]

He wasn't commenting on the Red Bull Ring versus the A1-Ring, but on the Red Bull/A1-Ring versus the Osterreichring.

Just picture for a moment, the 1985-87 turbo F1 cars rollicking out of the Glatz Kurve, over the crest at the top of the circuit, and down into the Bosch Kurve. In the draft, they could probably touch 230-mph on the run across the top there, before heading into the ~160-mph Bosch Kurve.

Take a look at this onboard lap from 1987 and enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxUXpnGI648

And an onboard from 1973, before the Hella Licht chicane was added:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCyuRwH5JMM

Even the much more tame A1/Red Bull Ring though, is still quite preferable to pretty much all of the newer circuits on the F1 calendar.

[nicanary]

Thanks, "Purist", you hit the nail pretty firmly on the head, and explained it better than myself. I can't be bothered to look up a clip, but can you imagine a battle between Porsche 917s and Ferrari 512s at the old circuit?

It was simply carved out of the hillside, so plenty of rises and falls, and VERY fast sweeping curves. Racing heaven to me, but dangerous, and thereby hangs the tale - when is a life worth less than entertainment?

(All that, though, AND you got Julie Andrews running down the hillside singing her heart out.)

[chunterer]

If it's just a stop gap race, then hold it there, no worries, in fact any European circuit that has a Grade 1 licence will do!!

I'd rather see a one-off race at either Motorland or Navarra though, 2 high quality newc circuits with good overtaking potential.

[nicanary]

Just found this for comparison purposes. Emasculated is definitely the word.

I hope they don't allow dogs on the track, dachshunds for example. Or it'll be "The hills are alive with the hounds of Munich".

(Sorry, that one goes back to Frank Muir and Denis Norden)

[nicanary]

My laptop has gone haywire. The "copy and paste" facility has not worked, and a post of mine to that effect finished up in "Getting to know you". Spooky.

Go to Google Images and type in A1 Ring and you'll see an overlay of the old Osterreichring and the A1 Ring. Then you'll see my point of view.