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28 May 2002, 15:13 (Ref:298507) | #1 | ||
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Oulton Park Gold Cup
I know many differnet series have run this race but I'm trying to find a list of all past winners of this event.
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1954: F1 Stirling Moss Maserati 250F
1955: F1 Stirling Moss Maserati 250F 1956: pre-F2 7 sports cars; Roy Salvadori Cooper 1957: F2 Jack Brabham Cooper 1958: Sports cars Roy Salvadori Lotus 15 1959: F1/2 Stirling Moss Cooper 1960: F1 Stirling Moss Lotus 18 1961: F1 Stirling Moss Ferguson 1962: F1 Jim Clark Lotus 25 1963 F1 Jim Clark Lotus 25 1964 F2 Jack Brabham Brabham BT10 1965 F2 John Surtees Lola T60 1966 F1 Jack Brabham Brabham BT19 1967 F1& 2 Jack Brabham Brabham BT24 1968 F1 Jackie Stewart Matra MS10 1969 F1/5000 Jacky Ickx Brabham BT26A 1970 F1/5000 John Surtees Surtees TS7 1971 F1/5000 John Surtees Surtees TS9 1972 F1/5000 Denny Hulme McLaren M9A 1973 F5000 Peter Gethin Chevron B24 1974 F5000 Ian Ashley Lola T330 1975 F5000 David Purley Chevron B30 1976 Gp8 Guy Edwards Brabham BT42 F1 1977 Gp8 Derek Bell Penske PC3 F1 1978 Aurora F1 Tony Trimmer McLaren M23 1979 " David Kennedy Wolf WR4 1980 " to follow |
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29 May 2002, 09:05 (Ref:299228) | #3 | ||
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The 1956 race was actually to F2 regs, though they did not officially come into force until 1/1/57. IIRC there were 4 or 5 genuine F2 single-seaters in the race, with sportscars making up the numbers
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Just wondering if anyone had found 1980 onwards....
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4 Jan 2004, 19:06 (Ref:827574) | #5 | |
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I am not sure the 1958 Gold Cup took place. There was a sports car race in 1958 won by Salvadori, but it wasnt actually called the Gold Cup - I think it was just given the title later to maintain continuity!
Is anyone still interested in the later results? From memory the next three winners were 1980 Guy Edwards, Arrows A1B, 1981 John Surtees Maserati 250F (Historic race)in the wet 1982 Tony Trimmer Fittipaldi F8, poor field of 5 cars |
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4 Jan 2004, 19:33 (Ref:827590) | #6 | ||
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Paul, I can fill in the gaps from 1983 to 1994:-
1983 - Richard Budge/Vin Malkie Chevron B19-Ford 1984 - Peter Lovett/Ian Taylor Lola T594C-Mazda 1985 - Tim Lee Davey/Neil Crang Tiga GC84-Ford 1986 - John Foulston/John Brindley Lola T350-Chevrolet 1987 - John Foulston/John Brindley Lola T350-Chevrolet 1988 - Gary Braham Ralt RT32-VW 1989 - Paulo Carrcasci Reynard 88D-Cosworth 1990 - Richard Dean Reynard 90D-Mugen 1991 - Paul Warwick Reynard 90D-Cosworth (Race was stopped when Warwick suffered a fatel accident while leading, he was awarded victory posthumously) 1992 - Yvan Muller Reynard 91D-Cosworth 1993 - Jo Winkelhock BMW 318i 1994 - Jo Winkelhock BMW 318i |
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Ah ha!
1985 is good enough! Thanks Rob! Anyone now got the results for 1985!!! |
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5 Jan 2004, 09:57 (Ref:828047) | #8 | ||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Seaman
I am not sure the 1958 Gold Cup took place. There was a sports car race in 1958 won by Salvadori, but it wasnt actually called the Gold Cup - I think it was just given the title later to maintain continuity! [/It was certainly called the Gold Cup at the time,as I recall seeing it live on TV. Odd that this thread has 'slept' for 18 months-at least now we know why paulzhino is interested! I might still have 1985 Autosport report.Must sort out storeroom.Can't remember how many years copies I carted here when I moved from London 10 yrs ago! Last edited by Rob29; 5 Jan 2004 at 10:05. |
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1. Crang/Lee-Davey
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Whoops, try again...
1. Crang/Lee-Davey Tiga GC84 64 laps 2. Wedgwood/Pye Chevron B36 60 laps 3. Malkie/Bashford Chevron B19 60 laps 4. Ward/Sears Royale RP37 60 laps 5. Galica/Brabham Shrike P15 59 laps 6. Minshaw/Hill Lola T594 59 laps 7. Coombs/Roberts Royale RP37 59 laps 8. Speak/Wareing Tiga SC82B 57 laps DNF: Stott/Hockenhull Royale RP37 52 laps O'Brien/Donovan Shrike P15 51 laps Longmore/Palmer Chevron B52 51 laps (Running) Smith/Stingbrace Chevron B36 44 laps Rollinson/Shead Chevron B16S 39 laps Blanchet/Juggins Lola T598 35 laps Simpson/Tulloch Royale RP37 28 laps Hoy/Lanfranchi U2 24B 28 laps Bartlett/Williams Chevron B61 25 laps Fyda/Young Tiga SC80B 24 laps Bain/Catlow Chevron B26/36 21 laps Lovett/Taylor Tiga TS85 18 laps Jacobsen/Charnell Chevron B61 13 laps Patrick/Paterson U2 25 13 laps Goodwin/Nimmo Coombs 4C 7 laps DNS: Tyler/Tyler Aquila RO83S Piper/Harrower Huron 4A Last edited by Jeremy Jackson; 5 Jan 2004 at 10:13. |
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5 Jan 2004, 10:24 (Ref:828077) | #11 | ||
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Thanks Jeremy,saved me the trouble.2 women in first 6 must have been a record for an event of this level.
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5 Jan 2004, 13:35 (Ref:828318) | #12 | ||
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Thanks guys!
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5 Jan 2004, 17:33 (Ref:828537) | #13 | ||
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Although I've never been to Oulton, I have a distinct interest in the '58 Gold Cup. From the reports I've read, there were at least two heat races wich determined the grid for the "Gold Cup" final. Keith hall won one of the heats in the Lotus Eleven I own today(4DTN), but had gearbox problems in the final.
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I wasn’t around in 1958, but here's why I said what I said. The race programme for the event on 20th September 1958 calls it "International Car Meeting for Sports Cars", the title page the "Oulton Park International Meeting" and the main race "Sports Car race over 1100cc". On the awards page it states that first prize is £150 plus "The Lookers Cup", and on the race entry page "A Race for Sports Cars". Curiously, Roy Salvadori in his autobiography on page 123 discusses the race without mention of the title Gold Cup, and even has a picture of him receiving the trophy (from Colin Chapman) without calling it the Gold Cup.
I don’t doubt that earlier in the year the race had been advertised as the Gold Cup, and I am sure some people called it the Gold Cup at the time. Also, I don’t doubt that a few years later the race was counted as a Gold Cup when they started creating winners' lists. And yes, the race was televised so I am sure the commentators may have called it the Gold Cup. I just don’t think there was actually a real Gold Cup race in 1958. Just a Lookers Cup that the Alchemists turned into a Gold Cup! As for the Lotus Eleven driven by Keith Hall, I think it won its heat in the British Empire Trophy race in April rather than the Lookers/Gold Cup. Whatever, the good news is that it looks as if Oulton (and Brands etc) have been saved by Jonathan Palmer. Shame really, it would have been nice to have had a house on the Avenue... |
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I'm sorry, you are correct that it was a heat for the Brit Empire Trophy in April that was won by Keith in 4DTN. It's been quite a while since I actually looked at my history files for that car.
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Roy Salvadori won the 1958 Gold Cup in the only race of the day, September 20, and it was, as has already been stated set for Sports Cars. Salvo drove a Lotus 15 that started on the third row and managed to take the lead on lap 4 overtaking Ivor Bueb at Esso (no Shell those days!). Bueb hung on to 2nd with Bruce Halford third. Both of the latter two drove Lister-Jags. Salvo told me last year that he considers this to be a 'Gold Cup win'!
For more OP info' see my book on the first 50 years of racing at the place - info' to be requested via PM please - not many left though so hurry! - or visit the Marshals stand at the Autosport show this weekend. Last edited by Derek Lawson; 5 Jan 2004 at 22:58. |
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PS I have the Autosport in front of me as I type and it describes the meeting as the Gold Cup meeting and shows Salvo on the cover, although the results sheets states 'Oulton Park International Car Meeting'. On top of this the editorial describing the cover states 'Gold Cup winner...' but Gregor Grant's narrative doesn't mention it! Bizarre or what?
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5 Jan 2004, 23:22 (Ref:828961) | #18 | |
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But what is the contemporary EVIDENCE that this was actually the Gold Cup? The raceday programme is very clear.
BTW, there were other races that day for 500cc F3 (fastest lap by Trevor Taylor), a 1100cc sports car race (won by Alan Stacey) and a Historic race. |
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I will check the inscription on the trophy when I am next at OP - in a couple of weeks. Yes there were a couple of other races (misread my own book!). The F3 race was won by Tom Bridger from behind the wheel of a Cooper Mk9 and Hugh Begley in a 1934 Frazer-Nash won the Vintage Sports & Historic Racing Cars event. Alan Stacey was a winner in the Up to 1100cc class of the Sports Car race. Hope this helps!
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10 Jan 2004, 13:10 (Ref:833505) | #20 | |
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That would be very interesting. A few things to consider.
First, I think the cup on the day in 1958 was, according to the programme, called the Lookers Cup. By the 1961 Gold Cup meeting, the 1958 Salvadori win was certainly being CALLED the Gold Cup in the programme, but was it on the day in 1958? Second, is the Gold Cup at Oulton the original? The 1955 programme has a picture of the 1954 Gold Cup and that is inscribed as the Daily Dispatch Oulton International Gold Cup race. The Cup in the Salvadori photo looks different from that one. I dont know about later ones? Third, I have some recollection that Jackie Ickx lost the Gold Cup after winning it in 1969. Is that so? And did they ever get it back? One further puzzle. In the Salvadori photo in his autobiography he gets the 1958 trophy (whatever it is called!) from Colin Chapman. But the Autosport report by Gregor Grant says that "Reg Parnell presented Salvadori with his trophy". Were there perhaps two cups, one of which was a cup to keep, and one of which was the returnable Gold Cup? Anyone else know anything about this? Of course, if Gold Cups can be awarded after the event, Surtees Historic Gold Cup win of 1981 could perhaps be given to the winner of the F3 race that day...Jonathan Palmer. I think the F3 race should have been the Gold Cup anyway... |
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Was not the first Gold Cup given to Stirling Moss to keep after he won it 3 times in a row ,and five times in all,in fact every time he was entered?
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I'll get back to you on all of those points guys - I'm pretty certain that Stirling didn't keep the cup tho'. As for Jackie Ickx losing it, he claims that he didn't but Derek Bell did. Derek Bell of course also denies this, so the mystery goes on. As soon as I have some news I'll pass it on. Cheers
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I have the lookers cup it is engraved:
Lookers lap Speed Trophy Presented by Lookers Ltd Annually with Replica To the driver Completing the fastest lap At Oulton Park Circuit Oulton Park Circuit Winners Time 1954 Stirling Moss 85.40 MPH 1955 Stirling Moss 87.71 MPH 1956 Roy Salvadori 84.95 MPH 1957 Graham Hill 87.81 MPH 1958 Roy Salvadori 86.28 MPH 1959 Stirling Moss 97.64 MPH 1960 Jim Clark 97.07 MPH 1961 Stirling Moss ' 93.42 MPH 1962 Jim Clark 99.40 MPH 1963 Jim Clark ' 100.20 MPH 1964 Jim Clark 96.50 MPH |
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