DRS to be banned....

Mr V · 22 Apr 2011, 10:15 (Ref:2868033)

.....in Monaco?

Linky.

Seem's an obvious decision to me.

Marbot · 22 Apr 2011, 10:20 (Ref:2868036)

Yes. A bit obvious.

Sodemo · 22 Apr 2011, 10:54 (Ref:2868058)

Obviously they don't want passing at Monaco. Ban it through practice, fine, but allow it from Portier through to Novello Chicane.

Spritle · 22 Apr 2011, 11:03 (Ref:2868061)

Sissies!

Marbot · 22 Apr 2011, 11:03 (Ref:2868062)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Obviously they don't want passing at Monaco.

It's always going to be difficult at Monaco, whatever the regulations are.

Not sure either how having greatly reduced downforce at the rear of the car will work out in what is essentially a right hand corner through a tunnel!

Hopefully the tyres will play a key role in helping out there. Super-soft and soft tyres are on the menu.

Pingguest · 22 Apr 2011, 11:08 (Ref:2868064)

As I was just getting a bit enthusiastic about the DRS, I'm suddenly made well aware again that the device is artificial.

garcon · 22 Apr 2011, 11:20 (Ref:2868070)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Obviously they don't want passing at Monaco. Ban it through practice, fine, but allow it from Portier through to Novello Chicane.

Go and find out how DRS actually works, then come back and persuade us there's room!

Sodemo · 22 Apr 2011, 11:33 (Ref:2868076)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

As I was just getting a bit enthusiastic about the DRS, I'm suddenly made well aware again that the device is artificial.

Big wide rear slicks are the answer. I want to see drivers dancing their cars through the barriers like in the 80's. Chuck it in, and deal with the slides in the corner.

Marbot · 22 Apr 2011, 11:33 (Ref:2868077)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingguest

As I was just getting a bit enthusiastic about the DRS, I'm suddenly made well aware again that the device is artificial.

There is no technical reason why the DRS cannot be used at Monaco. It seems to be more of a safety issue among some of the drivers.

Marbot · 22 Apr 2011, 11:37 (Ref:2868078)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Big wide rear slicks are the answer. I want to see drivers dancing their cars through the barriers like in the 80's. Chuck it in, and deal with the slides in the corner.

Many things were a lot less sophisticated back then. Tyres included.

**Peter Mallett** · 22 Apr 2011, 11:43 (Ref:2868084)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

As I was just getting a bit enthusiastic about the DRS, I'm suddenly made well aware again that the device is artificial.

Yup, except I've never been enthusiastic about it.

sizzle · 22 Apr 2011, 11:49 (Ref:2868089)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Yup, except I've never been enthusiastic about it.

Fix the problem don't just create another one.

Knowlesy · 22 Apr 2011, 11:50 (Ref:2868092)

I can't understand why it will be banned. It would be very ineffectual at Monaco, but no real reason to ban it.

Still, I don't care really.

HughGJohnson · 22 Apr 2011, 12:08 (Ref:2868100)

Clearly there's very little reason to have it and and a good case to be made for banning it at Monaco. However, banning the new overtaking gimmic at Monaco would be quite ironic. What if it rains in Hungary and DRS isn't used at either race?

Marbot · 22 Apr 2011, 12:13 (Ref:2868104)

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Originally Posted by sizzle

Fix the problem don't just create another one.

It's the Elephant in the room that everyone seems to be ignoring.

But it seems that it's necessary for F1 to have to be the fastest (in terms of lap times) open wheel series for it to have any credibility among so called 'fans'. This requires F1 cars to have far greater downforce (with resulting drag and turbulence) compared to other open wheel series. The DRS allows for this to remain so, but also allows for the possibility of overtaking.

Sodemo · 22 Apr 2011, 12:21 (Ref:2868109)

When the cars are going through the tunnel they have more than enough excess downforce to take the right hander flat out, removing a bit of drag at the rear at those speeds isn't going to have a massive effect.

Marbot · 22 Apr 2011, 12:31 (Ref:2868114)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

When the cars are going through the tunnel they have more than enough excess downforce to take the right hander flat out, removing a bit of drag at the rear at those speeds isn't going to have a massive effect.

It's the balance of the car from front to rear that will cause problems for the drivers and not the overall loss of downforce. Even if the cars had twice as much downforce, the balance from front to rear would still be a problem if the DRS were to be used on a corner.

Pingguest · 22 Apr 2011, 12:46 (Ref:2868121)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Big wide rear slicks are the answer. I want to see drivers dancing their cars through the barriers like in the 80's. Chuck it in, and deal with the slides in the corner.

I doubt it. Those tyres allowed a huge slip angle, but modern tyre technology doesn't.

Sodemo · 22 Apr 2011, 14:31 (Ref:2868161)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

I doubt it. Those tyres allowed a huge slip angle, but modern tyre technology doesn't.

However, if Pirelli can manufacture tyres "for the show" as they do now. Whats stopping them from developing a tyre with a huge slip angle in mind?

Marbot · 22 Apr 2011, 14:38 (Ref:2868163)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

However, if Pirelli can manufacture tyres "for the show" as they do now. Whats stopping them from developing a tyre with a huge slip angle in mind?

Even if Pirelli could do that, I suspect that the teams would find a way around it. In much the same way that they are already looking at car set up to minimize tyre wear. I think that the way things are already with Pirelli's tyres, we are seeing much more movement in the cars on the track.

However, none of this has much to do with DRS perhaps being disabled for Monaco.

NaBUru38 · 22 Apr 2011, 15:09 (Ref:2868171)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Ban it through practice, fine, but allow it from Portier through to Novello Chicane.

Ditto. But forbid it 100m prior to the regular braking spot.

SALEEN S7R · 22 Apr 2011, 15:27 (Ref:2868180)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Ditto. But forbid it 100m prior to the regular braking spot.

This would seem like the obvious answer, but far too simple a solution to be used I suspect. Driver safety is always paramount, but lets be honest, the chances of a driver dying on track these days is pretty slim. There are a lot of other series out there where the drivers/riders take far more risks on a regular basis than F1.

Ok so if DRS is allowed at Monaco we might see a few people go into the barriers, big deal. This is racing and its part of the risk the drivers take, they know the risks when they started racing.

**chunterer** · 22 Apr 2011, 16:36 (Ref:2868210)

This is daft, it's got to be allowed at all races, particularly the ones where you can't overtake!!!!

Mind you it might not make any difference to Pastor Maldonado.

stripedcat · 22 Apr 2011, 21:01 (Ref:2868361)

I admit it does seem daft to develop DRS and then ban it for one of the circuits.

That said I don't think it will have much effect at Monaco. I am guessing, the place they would have installed it, would have been on the tunnel straight before the harbour? But, doubtful it would have been of much use. The only thing that might spice up Monaco this year(apart from rain) could be the tyres.

Pingguest · 23 Apr 2011, 11:48 (Ref:2868561)

I fail to see the issue with DRS in Monaco. In the past turbo-engines and active suspensions (including its stall device) were used in Monaco. Why would DRS suddenly cause a safety issue.

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