Red Bull - "we’ll be delivering race wins by 2008"

[Ingsy]

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34528

So, do you think they can? I really would like to see DC take RB's first podium which, presumably will come before their first win.

Horner makes a good point about Newey when he says "And to further emphasise his importance, since he left Williams the team have only won about 10 races."

Can he turn Red Bull around though?

[Inigo Montoya]

Could be Ingsy... They have that Stiponovich electronics whiz they took from Ferrari a couple of seasons back, tons of money, and now they have Newey... But I cannot help suspecting that Newey's move to Red Bull is really to get one foot in the door at Ferrari, for when Byrne fully retires, and Brawn and Todt move on.

[Marbot]

Yes i think he can,whether he'll be allowed to do that with Ferrari engines is open to question i think.

[Kicking-back]

There's no way Newey's doing this to get into Ferrari.

His reason for moving from McLaren is that he wanted to move to a smaller team he could build up - not go from one pressure cooker to another.

He described Ron Dennis as a "great friend both professionally and personally".

I think Adrian is an honest man.


As for Red Bull winning races in 2008 - I think we may well see them get a win before that.

[chunterer]

I'd agree with you there K-B, certainly with regards to your last point.

The signs are that they may well be knocking on the door of a win, certainly podiums, next year. They'll have a good engine, pretty good chassis, which can be fine tuned by their new tech boss i'm sure and 2 drivers, 1 who knows how to it and the other who's coming along nicely...

[Swiss]

I agree with K-B as well, I think Newey has a lot of integrity and he is at Red Bull because thats where he wants to be. I think he wants to work with a small team and help them climb the success ladder, they do generate a lot of fun and excitement to the pit lane.

I also agree that I wouldnt be surprised if we saw a race win before 2008 either but Ithink Horner is trying to play down the pressure after a great debut season and the moves they have made with Ferrari and Newey.

It would be great to see Red Bull & Williams slugging it out with the manufacturers.

[Kirk]

You certainly must give Red Bull credit for pulling out all the stops to become a top team. They are quite determined. DC must must know that he lives a charmed life. I'd like to see him coerce RB to sign his mate JV for a stint.

[chunterer]

They're definitely doing that alright (pulling out the stops, that is).

I wonder if, as has been touched on a couple of times before that Red Bull is gearing itself up the thrust of Ferrari effort in a couple of years, as Fiat gracefully pull the factory team out due to the economic climate?!

[Inigo Montoya]

Doubt that chunterer. Italians would never allow Ferrari to pull out of F1.

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

There's no way Newey's doing this to get into Ferrari.

His reason for moving from McLaren is that he wanted to move to a smaller team he could build up - not go from one pressure cooker to another.

He described Ron Dennis as a "great friend both professionally and personally".

I think Adrian is an honest man.


As for Red Bull winning races in 2008 - I think we may well see them get a win before that.

How he describes Ron Dennis has nothing to do with whether or not he'll end up at Ferrari. If Costa does not work out, Ferrari will go after Newey.

[chunterer]

Yeah, i suppose so, but it could be possible for the Red Bull operation take over as the Ferrari entrant?

I.E. Fiat could save a few hundered million a year on chassis and engineering and just build and supply the engines to Red Bull, whom would become the 'official' Ferrari team...

[RaceFreak]

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

How he describes Ron Dennis has nothing to do with whether or not he'll end up at Ferrari. If Costa does not work out, Ferrari will go after Newey.

Exactly correct. Superb deduction.

I think Costa has, at best, one more season to get it right.

[BootsOntheSide]

Would Newey be interested in such a high-pressure job though, consdiering everything he's acheived and everything else he's interested in achieving? If Ferrari wanted him, they'd've hired him at the end of his McLaren contract.

[safc_fan89]

Originally Posted by Ingsy

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34528

So, do you think they can? I really would like to see DC take RB's first podium which, presumably will come before their first win.

Horner makes a good point about Newey when he says "And to further emphasise his importance, since he left Williams the team have only won about 10 races."

Can he turn Red Bull around though?

I think losing Renault engines was a contributing factor to that too.

He can turn Red Bull's fortunes around, if that's the right term as they were hardky in a ditch waiting to be rescued, but I can't see them ever being championship contenders. Just my opinion. I think the likes of Mclaren, Renault and Ferrari will always be ahead of Red Bull.

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Would Newey be interested in such a high-pressure job though, consdiering everything he's acheived and everything else he's interested in achieving? If Ferrari wanted him, they'd've hired him at the end of his McLaren contract.

Maybe they have

[racebusiness]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

There's no way Newey's doing this to get into Ferrari.

Spot on

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

His reason for moving from McLaren is that he wanted to move to a smaller team he could build up - not go from one pressure cooker to another.

Couldn't agree more
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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I think Adrian is an honest man.

That's a certainty

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

As for Red Bull winning races in 2008 - I think we may well see them get a win before that.

Certainly possible although I'm not hoping for it, it's all too Chelsea to gain my vote.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by Ingsy

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34528

Can he turn Red Bull around though?

I thought Red Bull had just started..

[SpawnyWhippet]

I would be surprised to see DC win any races in a RBR. My guess is that he will retire by 2008, at which point RBR will probably be the No. 3 or No. 4 team (kind of like BAR in 2004).

[Gt_R]

I believe that Newey leaves Mclaren partly because (1) he's tired of the extreme pressures from a manufacturer backed team (2) he wants to try working with a new team (3) he don't feel that he's valued enough (4) he has some problem with certain members within Mclaren.

Taking this 4 reasons into account, RBR is a natural and competitive alternative which fulfils his current needs.

However, it'd be silly to write of Newey going to Ferrari in a couple of year's time. If Costa failed to produce the goods, and with Ross's and Rory's promotion/retirement, Ferrari will be stupid to not attempt to hire Newey. Newey would still be of good age to work for another 5 years...re-energized after the "break"..and working with Ferrari may prove a tempting way to finish his career in F1, too add the final touch to an amazing career.

[bradrive]

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Could be Ingsy... They have that Stiponovich electronics whiz they took from Ferrari a couple of seasons back, tons of money, and now they have Newey... But I cannot help suspecting that Newey's move to Red Bull is really to get one foot in the door at Ferrari, for when Byrne fully retires, and Brawn and Todt move on.

Redbull: Ferrari engines for 2006/2007. AUDI engines for 2008+ ? Newey has no problem with pressure, he just needs a new challenge. And he wants to work in the UK. Redbull is building up a topteam having stable income for the next 5+years. Watch out who they will contract as a driver for 2007, replacing Coulthard. Montoya? Alonso? Raikkonen?

[maltafan]

I do not think that Red BUll will have such key drivers in its squad, unless they are on their way to retirement. I would rather say that they will bring in fresh talent in F1 like Minardi always did.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by maltafan

I do not think that Red BUll will have such key drivers in its squad, unless they are on their way to retirement. I would rather say that they will bring in fresh talent in F1 like Minardi always did.

They might do that with STR, like they're doing with Speed next year (and then perhaps Fleming or Ammermuller or whoever they bring on from WSR/GP2 etc..in future).

But the number one team is clearly setting about the top order with some venom! In order for them to really have a crack at a title they will need the best driver they can get at that particular time just like other front running teams in history.

So as Bradrive says, if they have the equipment to challenge in a couple of years it's logical they will try and get whichever driver can convert that potential into race wins and, perhaps, a title. Which as a comparisonToyota and i fear BAR haven't yet done/been able to do (ooh contentious!!)

If that driver happens to be a Red Bull protege so be it, but i doubt it will be the detrmining factor in driver choice because if they are quick then top drivers will come knocking on their door anyway.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by bradrive

Watch out who they will contract as a driver for 2007, replacing Coulthard. Montoya? Alonso? Raikkonen?

a similar comment has just been made by Sam Michael, "If you had access to those drivers and had a stable car development programme you would definitely consider spending that."
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34544

with Newey (if he is staying for a while) you get a stable development programme why not spend money on a top driver. coupled with their energy and the amount of money they are willing to spend on F1 race wins cant to far away.

[Dutton]

I think they have to produce the kind of car that will be of interest to one of the Stars of the Moment before they are likely to have much success wooing them.

Hence, they have gone for Newey first.

One thing at a time.