How much does it cost?

rcwatts17 · 30 Jan 2002, 15:21 (Ref:206530)

Which is the cheapest series to race in out of
Formula Ford
Formula Renault
Formula 3

DarrellB · 30 Jan 2002, 15:40 (Ref:206537)

Cheapest is probably not a word used often in conjunction with single seater racing especially at these levels. It has been said that top Formula Ford teams are on budgets of around £100.000!! but it does vary from team to team in the different formulae.

av8rirl · 30 Jan 2002, 17:20 (Ref:206637)

Well I've heard the following figures for 2002:

FF with VD GBP£129,000 (from a team owner)
FR GBP£150,000 (from a potential FR racer)
F3 GBP£250,000 (on this post)

As was previously said, cheap is not an option here. It is more likely to be value for money with TV coverage, crowds, etc...

rcwatts17: Are u thinking of doing one???

kbudden · 30 Jan 2002, 19:14 (Ref:206741)

FRenault drives are typically around 120,000 for 2002

Reflex · 30 Jan 2002, 20:44 (Ref:206885)

Quote:

Originally posted by av8rirl
Well I've heard the following figures for 2002:

FF with VD GBP£129,000 (from a team owner)

Bit high I think. more like £100,000

rcwatts17 · 31 Jan 2002, 09:58 (Ref:207226)

No I wont be driving myself, but I am managing Colin Mason - the welsh karting champion (that explains the link at the bottom). We are trying to enter Formula Renault for 2002. I have heard so many differing values for single seater championships I was just wondering if any other people have been quoted any other amounts. Simply out of curiosity.

Clyde Ankle · 31 Jan 2002, 11:01 (Ref:207249)

Quote:

Originally posted by rcwatts17
Which is the cheapest series to race in out of
Formula Ford
Formula Renault
Formula 3

Formula Renault is clearly the cheapest! According to today's Autosport, Colin Brown has been offered a FREE drive in Italian FRenault.

hysen · 31 Jan 2002, 11:44 (Ref:207269)

Quote:

Originally posted by rcwatts17
I am managing Colin Mason - the welsh karting champion

No offence but......WHO?....whats he raced in?

Jonny Apex · 31 Jan 2002, 12:06 (Ref:207286)

Quote:

Originally posted by hysen

No offence but......WHO?....whats he raced in?

Oh he only won the world karting championships in 2000 ahead of people like Lewis Hamilton and then had a rough ride in FRenaults last year - very good in the first races but then ran out of money. Also led if I remember right at least one round of Renault winter series before car packed up. Could really do with a sponsor and a new manager.

rcwatts17 · 31 Jan 2002, 12:12 (Ref:207292)

If you mean who is Colin Brown then he is a formula renault racer and also the world karting champion?

If you mean who is Colin Mason, then go to www.colin-mason.co.uk

You will find everything about him their.

hysen · 31 Jan 2002, 12:33 (Ref:207311)

Sorry Jonny Apex, thought my post with 'quote' made it pretty clear who I was talking about.

hysen · 31 Jan 2002, 12:41 (Ref:207313)

Had a look at www.colin-mason.co.uk nice site very informative. I wish you luck in your search for money but you have to ask yourself if someone with Colin Browns record is struggling, i fear you have a very tough job on your hands.

I would have thought it would be better for him to experience top level competition in the S1 than move straight into cars where the learning curve will be extremely tall and very expensive.

rcwatts17 · 31 Jan 2002, 12:54 (Ref:207319)

Yes i know but if you saw this guy race you'd understand why im doing this. In two years and 76 races in Senior TKM he has 60 podiums and 38 wins to his name.

I understand that their are a lot of talented drivers out there struggling but i am confident that he will succeed. Maybe Colin Brown is not cut out for single seaters, no disrespect to him i am sure he is enormously talented, but some karters adapt better to cars than others.

Their are tow reasons why i believe he will adapt quickly and succedd in single seater racing cars.

1. He tested a Formula Ford after winning the welsh title. It was at Pembrey in the wet, and he did 30 laps on slicks. Their was another guy from super 1's testing a formula ford at the same time. Colin went faster on slicks than the super 1 guy went on full wets, and it was Colin's first ever driver in a single seater car.

2. Colin studies Motorsport Engineering at Pembrokeshire College, and will soon be studying for a degree in Motorsport Engineering. He has enormous impressive knowledge of cars/ and karts and his skill of setting up the car exactly to his liking is also highly impressive.

All we need is a sponsor.

Check out his biography and profile on his site.

hysen · 31 Jan 2002, 14:04 (Ref:207392)

Not wishing to belittle his achievements but his 60 podiums in STKM seem to be all at a club with at most 10 entries. Plus everytime a top driver went to St Athans, ie. Sargeant, Allen, they won easily. Had he been racing at somewhere like Shenny i'm sure his record would not be half as good.

But still your right some drivers just can't transfer their kart racing abilities to cars and some average kart drivers excell in cars, but not many mind you. I hope that your driver falls into that latter.

Have you got much of a budget already? Have you thought about the BRDC/Silverstone Formula Ford Championship. Very cheap starting point for car racing and the prize is a season in Avon Junior Formula Ford in 2003.

Andy Roberts · 31 Jan 2002, 20:23 (Ref:207681)

I spoke to several FRenault teams about the 2002 championship was quoted everything from £85k to £130k but its definatly THE championship to be in. The winter series is very good values as I was given prices from £7k to £11k which isn't that bad considering. Just got to try and raise it now

Andy Roberts
www.andyroberts.uk.com

Francesca · 31 Jan 2002, 20:54 (Ref:207707)

Best of luck in your quest Andy.

Mackmot · 31 Jan 2002, 23:15 (Ref:207891)

These are our prices.

£130 000 for Formula Renault but all places have been taken
£120 000 for Formula Ford, British and Festival, extra for european and kent county etc. Unfortunately we are not doing this this year

£65 000 for Junior Formula Ford we still have one place left.

These are good prices as we do not go stupid on profit and we try to fit as much testing and tyre as a driver needs, if people charge more than this, then they should be include a hell of a lot of test ie 50 days+ for ford, 25+ for junior or about 25 as well as official for renault. Of course some people charge less, well unless they are heavily subsidised(which is extremely rare) then they are simply not going to do the job you need to win a championship.

hysen · 1 Feb 2002, 09:15 (Ref:208058)

I don't have that much knowledge of FFord nowadays, just wondering Mackmot why Junior FF is almost half the price than the main series?

Mackmot · 1 Feb 2002, 13:25 (Ref:208136)

There are only 12 rounds at 8 meetings, they use secondhand cars, they have about half the testing, they use less tyres, for us we use the same mechanics for both championships which means we can share the wages, erm they tend to get a lot of second hand tyre from the main series as well for testing.

Junior Ford is the best way to get your first years experience of ford because it is cheap, and as you run against people of similar experience and calibre it means that it is easier to do well and build your confidence.

rcwatts17 · 1 Feb 2002, 15:15 (Ref:208169)

Mackmot, is the fee for junior fford dependant on a test, eg the better you are the cheaper it is?
If so what are the ranges in price, do you have a seat available for 2002, and also is it possible to compete in a few but not all races?(eg. 3-4)

Clyde Ankle · 1 Feb 2002, 15:45 (Ref:208185)

rcwatts17, I don't think you will get a straight answer by holding your negotiations in public. There will be teams who may offer deals along the lines of your post but I suggest you contact them direct.

Also as I am sure you would have realised by now if you have been following recent threads, you should be careful with which teams you deal.

Good Luck!!!

Paul Rayner · 1 Feb 2002, 16:29 (Ref:208205)

Quote:

Originally posted by Clyde Ankle
Also as I am sure you would have realised by now if you have been following recent threads, you should be careful with which teams you deal.

I don't think that this is a warning which should be related to Mackie Motorsport. I would say contact Mackie directly, rcwatts17, details can be found on their site, www.mackiemotorsport.co.uk.
Good luck with it all.

flange-tastic · 1 Feb 2002, 18:28 (Ref:208250)

B F3 is £400,000 (chepest drive out their is with a deal at £300,000)

hysen · 7 Feb 2002, 17:44 (Ref:211712)

FAO rcwatts17 - Looking in todays Autosport it says Colin Mason is going to race S1 this year. I think thats a good decision as S1 is a hell of a step up from clubbies and he'll learn a great deal. Out of interest what class is he racing in?

nreed · 11 Feb 2002, 14:59 (Ref:214076)

andy roberts.....what does that price for the winter fr series include? also what kind of racing have you done up till now? i'm looking to get into a " cheap series too" thanks for any help/info

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