Hyperpole to set a bit of the grid for WEC.

tomcug · 19 Oct 2023, 18:22 (Ref:4182049)

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...r-full-season/
Oh dear, what is that needed for?

**joeb** · 19 Oct 2023, 18:48 (Ref:4182056)

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Originally Posted by tomcug

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...r-full-season/
Oh dear, what is that needed for?

It is needed as a place holder until the following year with they introduce a 3 tiered qualifying session like F1 has.

broadrun96 · 19 Oct 2023, 19:45 (Ref:4182063)

Better ratings if you split the quali in a 2 sessions, magically double your viewers

**Adam43** · 19 Oct 2023, 23:24 (Ref:4182083)

I wouldn’t bother with a specific qualifying session at all. Just best time in all practice. Qualifying is not important.

But, whatever, I can’t get worked up about this for the same reason. Qualifying is not important.

They should do what they want. If it means people tune in more and it gets people interested in the race then fine, it’s a reason. Qualifying is not important.

broadrun96 · 20 Oct 2023, 13:00 (Ref:4182151)

Starting grid should be arranged by race hauler arrival

Coach Ep · 20 Oct 2023, 13:31 (Ref:4182155)

For years I've been joking about a 'paddock start', just blow the horn and they all come out racing from their pit stalls! Never mind the paddock traffic...

NaBUru38 · 20 Oct 2023, 13:58 (Ref:4182161)

On the contrary, I always thought that the qualifying start (in any racing series) should have each car leave the pitlane every 2-3 second, to reduce blocking.

broadrun96 · 20 Oct 2023, 14:09 (Ref:4182164)

Oh I was talking skip quali entirely. Grid set at arrival and just practice sessions

**Adam43** · 20 Oct 2023, 21:55 (Ref:4182210)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Starting grid should be arranged by race hauler arrival

why not.

I once entered a race that the grid was decided by the order in which the entry money arrived!

crmalcolm · 20 Oct 2023, 22:06 (Ref:4182211)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

why not.

I once entered a race that the grid was decided by the order in which the entry money arrived!

Was the following year subscribed up to quickly?

**Adam43** · 20 Oct 2023, 22:10 (Ref:4182213)

I entered a race. The grid was decided by the order they got the entries. I was mid grid.

They did the same the following year. I didn’t enter. I couldn’t make it

CTD · 22 Oct 2023, 16:58 (Ref:4182463)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

why not.

I once entered a race that the grid was decided by the order in which the entry money arrived!

That is pure race-orginiser brilliance!

**Adam43** · 22 Oct 2023, 18:46 (Ref:4182474)

It is how they organized the Plum Pudding at Mallory on Boxing Day. Super fun.

RL17 · 23 Oct 2023, 08:45 (Ref:4182566)

Grid set by largest engine capacity x number of cylinders. (Capacity used before I thought). Any tied places set by loudest engine at 5000 revs in pit from 3 metre behind car at midpoint.

**Adam43** · 23 Oct 2023, 12:15 (Ref:4182610)

Why not. Sensible rules for a modern series. I like it.

Yes, at least back on the 50s I believe it was cc.

Gerard C · 23 Oct 2023, 13:08 (Ref:4182618)

What is the average number of laps completed in 10 minutes, LM excepted? I guess we'll see only one driver per car during Q and Hyperpole.

**Aysedasi** · 23 Oct 2023, 14:27 (Ref:4182640)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

What is the average number of laps completed in 10 minutes, LM excepted? I guess we'll see only one driver per car during Q and Hyperpole.

And that is so exciting, isn't it......not. I detest hyperpole.

TF110 · 23 Oct 2023, 18:08 (Ref:4182660)

Qualifying isn't important to some? I think it is, especially with the expanded grid of cars fighting for the overall win. 15, 16 prototypes fighting for the win, your starting position can determine whether you start in clear air up front or whether you get caught up in a first turn scuffle because someone is locking up (like at Fuji last race).

**joeb** · 23 Oct 2023, 20:51 (Ref:4182689)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Qualifying isn't important to some? I think it is, especially with the expanded grid of cars fighting for the overall win. 15, 16 prototypes fighting for the win, your starting position can determine whether you start in clear air up front or whether you get caught up in a first turn scuffle because someone is locking up (like at Fuji last race).

I suppose in theory you can get hit no matter your starting position, and unless the cars are more evenly matched in the coming seasons, the faster cars are going to pull away at any given track (assuming they make first corner). so starting position might not be too important. Although the fastest cars in race trim tended to also be fastest in qualy this year.

I don't think people have a problem with setting the grid by speed of the cars, but there is a group of us who don't want that grid set over 10-15 minutes when there could be hours of practice before that could be used to set the grid. But maybe i'm misinterpreting others thoughts on the matter.

broadrun96 · 24 Oct 2023, 13:26 (Ref:4182785)

Why are we bothering with hours of practice to then run hours more of hyperpole nonsense. IMSA is perfectly fine with a straight sprint quali and fairly short and easy process without the modern driver whinging on about traffic. Hyperpole is nothing but a cryfest and pointless, might as well start by arrival at track or postmark of your entry

NaBUru38 · 24 Oct 2023, 15:29 (Ref:4182806)

IMSA doesn't have two classes.

Gerard C · 24 Oct 2023, 16:09 (Ref:4182818)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

And that is so exciting, isn't it......not. I detest hyperpole.

Complete non sense in endurance IMO.

broadrun96 · 24 Oct 2023, 19:48 (Ref:4182857)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

IMSA doesn't have two classes.

No it runs 3 sessions and had run 4.

Takes just over an hour and done with it

RL17 · 25 Oct 2023, 13:52 (Ref:4182956)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I suppose in theory you can get hit no matter your starting position, and unless the cars are more evenly matched in the coming seasons, the faster cars are going to pull away at any given track (assuming they make first corner). so starting position might not be too important. Although the fastest cars in race trim tended to also be fastest in qualy this year.

I don't think people have a problem with setting the grid by speed of the cars, but there is a group of us who don't want that grid set over 10-15 minutes when there could be hours of practice before that could be used to set the grid. But maybe i'm misinterpreting others thoughts on the matter.

At Le Mans you loose hours of great qualifying and interest in fastest laps and consistency for a few minutes of TV hyperbole - with a TV audience of few thousand on eurosport (bet its less than spectators at the event on a Thursday). It also finishes early and also later practice sessions have lost interest/purpose and they also shut down earlier now.

No real need to separate classes as pretty spread out - unlike some race series where they seem to catch the GT cars chain every 30 mins or so after a SC period.

Coach Ep · 26 Oct 2023, 13:24 (Ref:4183082)

What does this have to do with the schedule?

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