Autoextremist website's ideas on how NASCAR should be

[johntt]

http://www.autoextremist.com/fumes1/

Got some good ideas, like the idea of more road courses. 43 stock cars thundering around road america and road atlanta would be amazing.

[jonesi]

Originally Posted by johntt

http://www.autoextremist.com/fumes1/

Got some good ideas, like the idea of more road courses. 43 stock cars thundering around road america and road atlanta would be amazing.

The writer says there's been too much change and then suggests Cup transform itself into....TransAm!

[Hazza]

Each to his own I guess.

[mountainstar]

Brian France: The guy that got the job for all the wrong reasons.

I remember in business school, the professors would exhort "Expand!, Expand, Expand!, at ANY COST" to which I disagreed and was labeled a heretic. The irony in all this was all the business case studies we did regarding companies that expanded so much they lost sight of their primary mission and went bust. I see a lot of that with Nascar. Once they had a taste of success, they went haywire breaking down the market into all these little demographics and trying to market themselves to them. By trying to be "everyman" they alienated their core constituents.

The COT is retarded. The cars no longer have a shred of relevance to anything sold on the road, they look the same and it's just boring. The Chase, stupid. Getting rid of tracks like Darlington, stupid.

[StuiE]

I don't like the idea of on-board jacking and dry break refueling, I like the old school pitstops they still have (and I like the 6 stud hubs, rather than single). I also like 36 races, less repeats of boring tracks would be nice, with the other dates being at tracks not used by the series.

Stock bodies etc, I don't think would ever happen and I thkn the manufactureres would always cry about how one body has an advantage over another etc...



Yeh I had a laugh too at saying t had changed too much, and then suggests drastic change.

[johntt]

Interesting someone should mention Trans-Am, the idea for reviving it centres around the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger.
The old style pitstops are part of what makes Nascar so great as well.
Keep the CoT, i like it.
Definately need more variety in the tracks though, imo the only repeat visits should be Daytona, Charlotte, Dega, Atlanta, Martinsville and Bristol.
Add Mexico City, Montreal, Mosport, Road America and Road Atlanta to the schedule and include one or two of them in the chase.

Originally Posted by mountainstar

Brian France: The guy that got the job for all the wrong reasons.

I remember in business school, the professors would exhort "Expand!, Expand, Expand!, at ANY COST" to which I disagreed and was labeled a heretic. The irony in all this was all the business case studies we did regarding companies that expanded so much they lost sight of their primary mission and went bust. I see a lot of that with Nascar. Once they had a taste of success, they went haywire breaking down the market into all these little demographics and trying to market themselves to them. By trying to be "everyman" they alienated their core constituents.

The COT is retarded. The cars no longer have a shred of relevance to anything sold on the road, they look the same and it's just boring. The Chase, stupid. Getting rid of tracks like Darlington, stupid.

Darlington is still on the calendar and recent upgrades + its history means that its highly unlikely to be dropped any time soon, if ever. Last year it sold out for the third year in a row.

re. the COT, the previous Cup car wasn't exactly road relevant either.

The accusation re. markets is better levelled at F1, Nascar is going where there is genuine demand, unlike F1 which is trying to market it to places like Bahrain/China etc where people are allegedly given tickets for free to make the place look full.

[R59]

In NASCAR's heartland, it's a sellout. In the west, and the north east to a point, it's no surprising that they don't have full grandstands. It's alien to them.

I don't agree that they need more road courses. I also don't agree that they need to put a dirt track back into the series. It just adds yet more cost.

What they need to do if anything, is make it a single chassis for all courses, whether it be road, short/long oval, or superspeedway. Isn't that what CoT was all about originally. To get away from 8 cars for one season.

To get back to their roots.... bring back Rockingham and North Wilkesboro!

The article was clearly writtem by someone who prefers road course racing, and is probably a TransAm fan - what better way of bringing back the series they love through the back door!!

If you leave the running of the sport to the manufacturers, and the likes of the SCCA, it'll end up with hardly any mainstream following.

I do agree that they should let the drivers speak for themselves more. But they are aiming to be 100% family friendly, and that means no swearing in front of the kids.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by johntt

Darlington is still on the calendar and recent upgrades + its history means that its highly unlikely to be dropped any time soon, if ever. Last year it sold out for the third year in a row.

My friends in Charlotte tell me despite all that, Nascar wants out of there.

[StuiE]

Originally Posted by R59

What they need to do if anything, is make it a single chassis for all courses, whether it be road, short/long oval, or superspeedway. Isn't that what CoT was all about originally. To get away from 8 cars for one season.

The commentators last year that some teams were using the same car for tracks like Bristol, The Glen and Talladega, not just smaller teams either, some big ones were doing it too. That said, the bigger teams will always have and use more cars, not much you can do about that...


Darlington should stay on the Schedule for sure, it's strange how Nascar wants to ditch it's most popular tracks, who wins?

[Fish_Flake]

Originally Posted by StuiE

The commentators last year that some teams were using the same car for tracks like Bristol, The Glen and Talladega, not just smaller teams either, some big ones were doing it too. That said, the bigger teams will always have and use more cars, not much you can do about that...


Darlington should stay on the Schedule for sure, it's strange how Nascar wants to ditch it's most popular tracks, who wins?

NASCAR in the Brian France era is always looking out for a richer audience to exploit. A race in a depressed ex-textile factory town that isn't in close vicinity to any major markets (that don't already have a race date, at least) is only taking away schedule space from a new track to be built in Seattle or Denver or Houston. Tradition be damned.

[johntt]

Originally Posted by StuiE

The commentators last year that some teams were using the same car for tracks like Bristol, The Glen and Talladega, not just smaller teams either, some big ones were doing it too. That said, the bigger teams will always have and use more cars, not much you can do about that...


Darlington should stay on the Schedule for sure, it's strange how Nascar wants to ditch it's most popular tracks, who wins?

The CoT is designed to be adjustable enough to eliminate track specific cars, this is enforced by a ban on skewing the chassis. reducees the number of cars from ~15 to ~5

[R59]

Originally Posted by johntt

The CoT is designed to be adjustable enough to eliminate track specific cars, this is enforced by a ban on skewing the chassis. reducees the number of cars from ~15 to ~5

Add a fuel injected motor, and you'll be where the ASA were almost ten years ago with the pro-tour

[FIRE]

I only like 6:

6. Unless it's a marquis 500-mile or 600-mile event (Daytona, Charlotte, Darlington), no race would be over 400 miles. Road races would be 200-miles or less.

BTW Isn't Autoextremist a bit anti-NASCAR?

[johntt]

Originally Posted by FIRE

I only like 6:



BTW Isn't Autoextremist a bit anti-NASCAR?

No, just very critical, often too much but it will give praise when praise is due

[jonesi]

Originally Posted by johntt

The CoT is designed to be adjustable enough to eliminate track specific cars, this is enforced by a ban on skewing the chassis. reducees the number of cars from ~15 to ~5

Five cars really isn't pratical and probably a bare minumum for a 'back of the pack' team. Cup is a weekly series with only 3 weeks off over the whole 41 week season. So where are those cars on Monday morning? There's 2 cars on the truck coming back from Race A. Best case, one is a little worn from the race the other never came off the truck, (worse case they're both torn up from accidents.) There's 2 cars sitting in the shop ready to go for Race B, waiting for the truck to arrive. The mechanics are probably working on 2 cars for Race C, (although backup car A could be turned around in time.) Now factor in every race has 5-20 torn up cars, there's bound to be 1-3 cars in the shop through the rebuild process. (Remember with CoT if you change the chassis it has to be loaded up and taken over to the Nascar tech center for retech. Bet that eats up 1/2 a day at least.) So probably most teams will still end up with at least 7-8 cars and I'll be surprised if the top teams don't keep 10-12 at least.