Is Skaife/888 in the poo?

billy bigtime · 1 Mar 2010, 01:30 (Ref:2642369)

http://www.speedcafe.com.au/2010/03/...ife-tv-drives/

Seems like it. The rules have been broken, what should the penalty be?
Exclusion of Skaife from the enduros I would think.

mountainstar · 1 Mar 2010, 01:36 (Ref:2642374)

Talk about a pole vault over a mouse turd.

The man has been racing touring cars for 20 years, has 5 titles IRC and however many race wins.

I don't think a couple of laps on some track in the middle east on old tires is going to give him some outrageous advantage in some race in Australia six months from now.

The complaining is just plain stupid and laughable.

billy bigtime · 1 Mar 2010, 01:40 (Ref:2642378)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

Talk about a pole vault over a mouse turd.

The man has been racing touring cars for 20 years, has 5 titles IRC and however many race wins.

I don't think a couple of laps on some track in the middle east on old tires is going to give him some outrageous advantage in some race in Australia six months from now.

The complaining is just plain stupid and laughable.

Maybe but rules have been broken. It would be unfair to the other drivers and teams who have copped penalties so far this year if they get away with it.

Matt · 1 Mar 2010, 02:23 (Ref:2642392)

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Originally Posted by billy bigtime

Maybe but rules have been broken. It would be unfair to the other drivers and teams who have copped penalties so far this year if they get away with it.

You'd have no problems if it was a Ford driver.

anthony81901 · 1 Mar 2010, 02:54 (Ref:2642402)

Agree Skaife is probably not likely to learn much, but if there is an advantage to be gained, perceived or otherwise, then let Crompton & Larkham do the driving or go back to having one of the current drivers explain the lap.

Can fully understand why team managers may be less than happy having a driver from a rival team have a chance to give their machinery the once over. I imagine Roland Dane's view would differ if Skaife was signed up to drive for another team.

Mixer · 1 Mar 2010, 03:01 (Ref:2642408)

I can see both sides of the argument, definitely Crompo should go and do it.

But can you actually learn anything driving a car for 3 laps at 90% on shagged tyres? I question whether you can.

Axeman444 · 1 Mar 2010, 03:02 (Ref:2642409)

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

Can fully understand why team managers may be less than happy having a driver from a rival team have a chance to give their machinery the once over. I imagine Roland Dane's view would differ if Skaife was signed up to drive for another team.

especially when in doing so he breaks the car and causes the team to waste otherwise valuable time by having to fix it...

Denosaur · 1 Mar 2010, 03:02 (Ref:2642410)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

Talk about a pole vault over a mouse turd.

So he drives a T8 for 5 laps and then a Kelly car for another. In two weeks he ends up driving one of GRM's machines. How the hell do you get an advantage by driving 3 different machines over 15 laps?? What next, they're going to ban drivers using a Playstation?!?!?!?

Chatters · 1 Mar 2010, 03:02 (Ref:2642411)

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Originally Posted by billy bigtime

what should the penalty be?
Exclusion of Skaife from the enduros I would think.

You would think that, wouldn't you?

bluesport · 1 Mar 2010, 03:11 (Ref:2642414)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

Talk about a pole vault over a mouse turd.

The man has been racing touring cars for 20 years, has 5 titles IRC and however many race wins.

I don't think a couple of laps on some track in the middle east on old tires is going to give him some outrageous advantage in some race in Australia six months from now.

The complaining is just plain stupid and laughable.

It's the "thin end of the wedge".......next time someone else does something that should penalised and their defense will be "but you didn't penalise Skaife!" and it goes on and on and on, for the next guy and the guy after that.

pascofi m-sport · 1 Mar 2010, 03:14 (Ref:2642415)

there are two solutions here.

1. Skaife can explain about the lap from the comm. box (no driving) while a current driver does a quick lap.
2. Crompton and Larkham can alternate the driving for the rest of the season (at least there is no conflict there)

Note: Roland Dane is all for it because...well...WHINCUP IS MAKING EVERY OTHER DRIVER LOOK LIKE THEY JUST GRADUATED FORMULA FORD!!!

Think about it...

billy bigtime · 1 Mar 2010, 03:42 (Ref:2642426)

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Originally Posted by Chatters

You would think that, wouldn't you?

Hey, it's bloody hard for me to kick Skaifey nowadays, so I have to jump on these things pretty quick

kittle · 1 Mar 2010, 03:55 (Ref:2642429)

With Having these three former champs driving cars is a great idea, because they give us further insight as to how they operate.

I have had more respect for Skaife since he has left HRT more then ever. He is a great commentator as with the rest of them.

The only thing i would get put off from is that he can translate to 888 of how each car is designed.

With him driving at different tracks and not at the enduro tracks there is not alot of gain for the team except for design.

I don't agree with him being able to drive another teams cars because he is already driving for 888 at the end of the year. For less controversy i think it should be left to Larkham and Crompton.

I would like to see Skaife drive Dean Fiores car. Don't think it will happen.

cavvy · 1 Mar 2010, 04:13 (Ref:2642430)

Staged by SEL
Producer: Coch0
Media: Hitchcock

What a cheap attempt at controversy or is it comedy?

deeks6 · 1 Mar 2010, 04:40 (Ref:2642434)

wow, tis is the WORST case of out and out CHEATING I have ever heard of. This CANNOT go without the harshest of penalties. I suggest:

1. Skaife, Roland = 2 years jail for heinous crimes against motor sport. Skaifey to get 3 months off for declaring that Ford really do make better cars.
2. Cromley, Larko and Ch 7 = Banned for life and 1 year suspended jail sentence for being complicit with the crime.
3. Holden = factory demolished and lifetime ban for supplying the getaway vehicle willingly.
4. VESA = forced to have only production cars in the series.
5. 10 10ths = 3 month ban for allowing such crap to be discussed

anthony81901 · 1 Mar 2010, 05:29 (Ref:2642444)

The real conflict will be if Skaife drives the 888 car in the co-drivers session on a Friday and then drives that of another team. It may only be a few laps on life expired tyres, but as an experienced tester he will be able to asses how the car handles in direct comparison to 888’s.

A fair swap would be a driver from the team whose car Skaife drives could complete the same number of laps in a 888 car…can’t see Roland Dane going along with it.

pascofi m-sport · 1 Mar 2010, 05:33 (Ref:2642446)

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Originally Posted by deeks6

wow, tis is the WORST case of out and out CHEATING I have ever heard of. This CANNOT go without the harshest of penalties. I suggest:

1. Skaife, Roland = 2 years jail for heinous crimes against motor sport. Skaifey to get 3 months off for declaring that Ford really do make better cars.
2. Cromley, Larko and Ch 7 = Banned for life and 1 year suspended jail sentence for being complicit with the crime.
3. Holden = factory demolished and lifetime ban for supplying the getaway vehicle willingly.
4. VESA = forced to have only production cars in the series.
5. 10 10ths = 3 month ban for allowing such crap to be discussed

What???

NewsStalker · 1 Mar 2010, 05:45 (Ref:2642450)

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D 1.3 Test Tracks Location
1.3.1 Testing may only be undertaken at a Test Track located in the State or Territory in
which the Team or Group is based, other than at a V8 Supercars Test Day.

Regardless of whther they gained anythnig out of it or not, they want to have rules, then the rules MUST be enforced - otherwise, every Tom, Dick and ROland is going to start using this as adequate reasoning why the rule can no longer be enforced.

(http://www.v8supercars.com.au/Portal...%20D_Final.pdf)

Althought - then there is this:

Quote:

D 1.14 Not Comprising Test Days
1.14.1 The following activities will not be regarded as comprising a Test day for the
purposes of Rule D 1, but the fact of the activity will be made available to any other
Team or Group upon application being made to V8 Supercars:
1.14.1.1 Any activity required by V8 Supercars of a Team, including but not
necessarily limited to tyre testing and/or aero package testing; or
1.14.1.2 Corporate Rides (E 1.2.1); or
1.14.1.3 Driver Evaluation Day (D 1.6); or
1.14.1.4 Demonstration Session (D 1.8); or
1.14.1.5 New Car Shakedown (D 1.9); or
1.14.1.6 Promotional activities (such as filming TV advertisements) run under
permission from V8 Supercars with conditions applied by V8 Supercars.
1.14.2 Any activity referred to in Rule D 1.14.1, the engine of a Car must not be started for
any reason before the arrival at the Test Track of the person appointed by V8
Supercars to supervise the Test who must give approval before a Car’s engine can
be started.

Although 1.14.2 specifically referes to this as being conducted on a 'test track' (whoops - someone forgot to read the rule properly before it was accepted and printed!)

Mixer · 1 Mar 2010, 05:49 (Ref:2642451)

There IS precedent to this, other drivers (including at least Skaife and Murphy) have done laps in their own cars for media use at each track. Clearly its not a test day, but given Skaife's enduro drive Crompo should be doing it. But... are Crompo and Larko race fit? What if one of them prangs a car?

gemini4 · 1 Mar 2010, 07:13 (Ref:2642464)

People have died for less in V8 Supercars.

How can Skaife clock up practise time in any car his 'media role' can grab him while rookies sit sidelined ?

How can 888 squeal like stuck pigs about extra practise time for HRT in Bahrain while they are rolling Skaife out?

No benefit... No whinging... a rule is an f'n rule!
...deduct the time from 888's practice allowance.

Mixer · 1 Mar 2010, 07:24 (Ref:2642467)

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Originally Posted by gemini4

No benefit... No whinging... a rule is an f'n rule!
...deduct the time from 888's practice allowance.

He drove the Kelly car last week, what do you do then?

ForumNick · 1 Mar 2010, 08:08 (Ref:2642477)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

He drove the Kelly car last week, what do you do then?

He's a contracted co-driver for 888.....
...deduct the time from 888's practice allowance!

STEALTHY · 1 Mar 2010, 08:30 (Ref:2642482)

Is anyone forgetting the whole season 90% of the other co drivers are doing in the fujitsu series?

Sounds like a few slow team managers who wanted skaife have their panties in a twist.

doug05 · 1 Mar 2010, 08:34 (Ref:2642483)

Maybe those whinging should be focusing on trying to make their cars faster instead of trying to come with excuses why they are getting hosed by 888? Dane must be loving the attention his team is getting because people are focussing on his team rather than making their own quicker haha

fomoco · 1 Mar 2010, 08:58 (Ref:2642497)

a great script for a doco.

working title: an inside to winning Sandown and Bathurst!

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