V8 betting

[Peter Ford]

With Round 1 only 8 days away,does anyone know what the betting odds for adelaide are?.

[Oaksnaf]

Odds should be up on TAB Sportsbet by next Tuesday-Wednesday. They usually leave it pretty late as there isn't that much interest.

Same with centrebet - they usually have odds available but not until there is under a week until the event.

[Peter Ford]

who going to have a bet on the clipsal 500?. I am.

[Boxy]

I always do.

Had a good win a few years back, backing Skaife to win the second leg starting from the back.

I will wait till I see the odds before I make any decisions...

[D.R.T.]

Intruiged to see how many forum members gamble on v8 races. I am way to cynical to put my $$$ on line when results are in the hands of vesa officials

[Ironmike]

I have won money on 5 of the last 6 clipsal races. Ambrose was a money maker that's for sure. Tipped Jamie Whincup for race 2 last year, 5 bucks each way - $15-1 shot. He was quicker than Lowndes at most sessions at the clipsal last year, so it was a pretty safe bet I thought..

[Uncle Cranker]

With the current Furore over AFL players betting on their professional sport, I pose this:

Does VE$A have a system in place to prevent Supercar drivers placing bets on themselves?

Or more importantly, a specific code of conduct or regulations (with large monetary penalties) for ANY race official (or person associated with the sport) from betting on race or season results?

Especially when DRT sum's things up so well.

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Intruiged to see how many forum members gamble on v8 races. I am way to cynical to put my $$$ on line when results are in the hands of VE$A officials

What if, the RD, MD, CoC, ACoC, IPD, DSO DH FW and any other acronym-ed person responsible for the conduct and results of the race meeting was laying bets on the side ?


Especially post Phillip Island last year: anyone remember what odds Crash Bandicot was to win the Chumpionship before Round One ?

[Oaksnaf]

I think Rick Kelly would have been around the 15-1 to 25-1 chance at the title roughly. That in itself doesn't mean much, what you would rather know is the wager.

For someone to influence a result to get a return, your certainly wouldn't have had only 1000 on it.

Last year was good for the betting though, reverse grids threw up great returns for anyone wanting a small wager.

[RotorFan]

Boy, that hot potato took a while to surface. Ever wonder why AVESCO act so severely against people who (publicly) say they have it sewn up/rigged?

[Average Punter]

Originally Posted by Uncle Cranker

Does VE$A have a system in place to prevent Supercar drivers placing bets on themselves?

To be honest, I don't have a problem with drivers backing themselves to win.

It's when they back themselves to lose that you'd hit the panic button....

[mayhem]

Be nice if BetFair had odds on the V8s, then there would be some controversy around.

[Oaksnaf]

Looks like someone knows what the term "lay" means.

That would certainly be very interesting.

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by RotorFan

Boy, that hot potato took a while to surface. Ever wonder why AVESCO act so severely against people who (publicly) say they have it sewn up/rigged?

Rotor, what is even more interesting in the lack of opinion on this forum about matters of REAL importance.

Obviously Fantasy series, pretty colors (livery's), and a publicity stunt ( the latent threat to a-hole Snappy Tom's 4 cars) are of more interest to most of the members of this once proud forum.

[deeks6]

Originally Posted by Uncle Cranker

Rotor, what is even more interesting in the lack of opinion on this forum about matters of REAL importance.

Obviously Fantasy series, pretty colors (livery's), and a publicity stunt ( the latent threat to a-hole Snappy Tom's 4 cars) are of more interest to most of the members of this once proud forum.

I gotta agree, uncle ... there should be much more moderation on people who argue with us.

But seriously (not 10) some of these threads should be exported to Conrod !

[Oaksnaf]

Here are the opening odds for the 2007 championship courtesy of TAB sportsbet:

LOWNDES Craig 3.75
TANDER Garth 5.00
KELLY Todd 5.50
SKAIFE Mark 6.50
KELLY Rick 7.00
WINTERBOTTOM Mark 11.00
WHINCUP Jamie 13.00
COURTNEY James 15.00
RICHARDS Steven 21.00
BRIGHT Jason 26.00
INGALL Russell 34.00
MURPHY Greg 34.00
DAVISON Will 67.00
JOHNSON Steven 81.00
RICHARDS Jason 81.00
DUMBRELL Paul 201.00
MCCONVILLE Cameron 201.00
PRICE Shane 201.00
PERKINS Jack 251.00
HOLDSWORTH Lee 301.00
RADISICH Paul 301.00
CANTO Dean 401.00
GURR Alan 401.00
BARGWANNA Jason 501.00
WILSON Max 501.00
BOWE John 751.00
COULTHARD Fabian 751.00
JONES Andrew 751.00
JONES Brad 751.00
MORRIS Paul 751.00
OWEN Steve 751.00

[mjt57]

So, am I correct in reading this that most of you guys don't have a problem betting on the V8 races?

If so, consider this; Team A has its drivers dicing for the lead, or even a podium finish. The team's manager tells Driver 1 to let Driver 2 through because he stands a better shot at the title. Driver 2 then goes through for a higher placed finish.

Now, what about all the punters who bet on Driver 1 to win, where do they stand? How do you think that they'd feel knowing that the driver that they bet on was able to win the race, or at least be placed higher, but was told to "lay down", as it were? Would they be entitled to their money back?

Now, let's analogise this. Melbourne Cup horse race. A horse trainer has two horses in the field. Prior to the race he tells Jockey 1 to let Jockey 2 finish ahead of him. The racing comission finds out. All parties to this arrangement end up in court and face huge penalties and possible jail terms.

Now, tell me what the difference is between team orders and race fixing when it comes to betting on a race.

I personally think that you're nuts, if you seriously consider betting on motorsport events. When you have the possibility of team orders coming into play, then the element of gambling is thrown out the window and is replace by the human element making a conscious and deliberate decision to affect the race outcome.

The "form finish" crap is the same.

[dsg]

The fact that you are giving us an example is evidence that possible scenarios should be taken into account before laying a bet.

If anyone is stupid enough to lay a bet on a sport without knowing it's rules are also too stupid to responsibly use money. It's just natural selection in action.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by mjt57

So, am I correct in reading this that most of you guys don't have a problem betting on the V8 races?

If so, consider this; Team A has its drivers dicing for the lead, or even a podium finish. The team's manager tells Driver 1 to let Driver 2 through because he stands a better shot at the title. Driver 2 then goes through for a higher placed finish.

Now, what about all the punters who bet on Driver 1 to win, where do they stand? How do you think that they'd feel knowing that the driver that they bet on was able to win the race, or at least be placed higher, but was told to "lay down", as it were? Would they be entitled to their money back?

Now, let's analogise this. Melbourne Cup horse race. A horse trainer has two horses in the field. Prior to the race he tells Jockey 1 to let Jockey 2 finish ahead of him. The racing comission finds out. All parties to this arrangement end up in court and face huge penalties and possible jail terms.

Now, tell me what the difference is between team orders and race fixing when it comes to betting on a race.

I personally think that you're nuts, if you seriously consider betting on motorsport events. When you have the possibility of team orders coming into play, then the element of gambling is thrown out the window and is replace by the human element making a conscious and deliberate decision to affect the race outcome.

The "form finish" crap is the same.

I am still using the PC I bought in 2003 when betting on Marcos Ambrose to win Race 1 in Adelaide... the NSW TAB handicapper was not totally with it that day, and have a starting price of $25 to the $1 for a win... A lazy hundred on the nose made for a pleasant surprise

The PC is getting old now... I wonder if the handicapper can make the same mistake again?

[dsg]

Steve Richards seems like good odds.

[Rombles1]

I'm intrigued at the odds for Holdsworth and Canto.... I would have picked them as the other way around!

[Oaksnaf]

Nothing wrong with gambling on motorsport events, just as long as you know what you are gambling on and what you are gambling with.

[Rombles1]

Incidentally GTR Magic, I'll give you 100:1 on Ambrose for this years Clipsal 500

[Ironmike]

Originally Posted by dsg

The fact that you are giving us an example is evidence that possible scenarios should be taken into account before laying a bet.

If anyone is stupid enough to lay a bet on a sport without knowing it's rules are also too stupid to responsibly use money. It's just natural selection in action.

Damn right.. These things need to be taken into account before putting the ticket thro the machine

[Placebo]

Originally Posted by Rombles1

I'm intrigued at the odds for Holdsworth and Canto.... I would have picked them as the other way around!

I noticed that too, and thought the same thing. Also interesting that Jack Perkins and Shane Price are at shorter odds than Canto - as is Radisich - who isn't driving in Round 1.

[Boxy]

So did anyone put a wager on Race 1?

I put $5 each way on Skaife @ 17-1, $5 on Will Davison @ 17-1 for a top 3 and $5 on Dean Canto @ 41-1 for a top 3. A few roughies in there, but not bad odds for $20 all up. Anyone Can and Will happen at Clipsal...