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12 Jun 2003, 19:21 (Ref:629763)
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New Mac delayed again!
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlin...12145942.shtml
Now they tell us it will be at Silverstone. Is this thing ever going to race? |
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12 Jun 2003, 19:39 (Ref:629781)
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Uhn... maybe in the Japanese GP...
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12 Jun 2003, 19:40 (Ref:629783)
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Sometimes I wonder if this is there 04 car coming out early. I guess they are playing it really safe who knows maybe ferrari will have another bad weekend and the 02 mac will do it again. I think Mclaren know that there new car could be the best car on the grid but whats the point of having the best car when you have no reliability you just dont no maybe Mclaren will win every race from siliverstone and at the end of the season we will sit back and say now did they work that one out are what it could happen just think of Ferrari last year.
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12 Jun 2003, 21:33 (Ref:629967)
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Maybe McLaren just want to repeat Melbourne 1998 (lap the whole field) when the new car starts its first race
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12 Jun 2003, 21:40 (Ref:629985)
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So why didn't they start the car in Melbourne this year?
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12 Jun 2003, 22:14 (Ref:630046)
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I think its an early 04 car the 02 car is still running well good luck to them if it works out.
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12 Jun 2003, 23:45 (Ref:630100)
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No use in risking an fast but unreliable car when you're racing a fast and reliable one!
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12 Jun 2003, 23:50 (Ref:630102)
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As long as McLaren stays ahead of Ferrari in the drivers and constructors championships, why risk bringing a new car out that may be faster, but also more unreliable? If Schumacher wins in Canada and the Nurburgring, then you'll see the new car. If Raikkonen stays ahead, no need to hurry.
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13 Jun 2003, 00:00 (Ref:630104)
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13 Jun 2003, 00:21 (Ref:630112)
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if the old on estill beats everything on the grid, what's the rush?
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13 Jun 2003, 00:41 (Ref:630119)
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You think the old Mac beats everything on the grid? Except for Monaco, the new Ferrari has won, gotten pole, and had the fastest lap when its raced.
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13 Jun 2003, 03:24 (Ref:630172)
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I think this is really hurting Raikkonen's championship hopes...I am quite confident that the Ferrari will easily have the upper hand this weekend and until the new McLaren comes out the Ferrari will continue to have the edge.
Unless of course as ppl said earlier McLaren are confident that their new car is going to dominate when it does come out. If this is the case then perhaps with the new points scoring system they figure they can sacrifce a few defeats to the Ferrari and as long as they still finish well Shumacher won't pull out much of a lead before they bring out the new car. |
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Doesn't it seem sad that drivers like Fisichella, Coultard, Barrichello, and Ralf all have secure seats in F1, despite having had race winning cars for many more seasons than Jacques, yet failing to chalk up as many wins as he (let alone a WDC) that it is Jacques who doesn't have a drive in F1??? Sad indeed.
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13 Jun 2003, 07:34 (Ref:630264)
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But, according to same source, it's still undecided.
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlin...13000237.shtml |
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13 Jun 2003, 07:51 (Ref:630285)
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We have to reckon that , grace to the new point system and, even more important, the re-found competitiveness of Michelin tires, the Mac 02 is still on the top of the standings (drivers and makes).
Only 2003 final results will say whether this decision is right, but as far as now Ron & C can afford to be calm and gradual. |
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13 Jun 2003, 13:22 (Ref:630524)
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My feeling is the new car is not good enough, be it on pace (some design errors maybe?) or in "usability" (again, perhaps any bad design decision? I don't know!), becuase it is indeed strange this kind of delay.
A good argument in favour of it is Kimi and Macs are leading the classification, but taking in account the need of testing it ussually involves I wonder if really Ron is doing this delay in purpose. I mean, if Monaco had been a huge success for Ferrari, and Montreal again another one, Macs can lost very valuable points without the chance of fighting with the new car. Another point is Macs using this new car for 2004. Again I feel it is an error. That car was designed in the end of 2002, the others teams are going to design 2004 car in the end of 2003, surely it is not good to use a design one year old :-o Again I don't see RD doing it on purpose: there will be any "minor" adjustment to tech rules (alla Mosley)?, how they know what type of rubber Michelin is going to develop one year in advance? Ilmor is going to find another perfomance advance in a new engine? Too much strange questions. I don't know what it is going to happen, of course, but my (unbased) "theory" is Mac has any kind of difficulty with the new car and the old is good enough to be better package than the new one, and they knew it from weeks or months ago. |
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14 Jun 2003, 09:29 (Ref:631161)
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Mclaren have said that the new MP4-18 is not just for this season but for around 18 months so when you look at it that way they are ahead of the game.
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14 Jun 2003, 13:02 (Ref:631220)
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But its main decision of design is from 2002, so it will old in 2004... And if something changes in between (another "Max" rule, tyres, engine...) they are in bad position.
I am just wondering, I like to know other ideas as well. |
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14 Jun 2003, 20:40 (Ref:631527)
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Well, I meant that they would like to lap the field in the car's first race, whether that is Melbourne, Suzuka or whatever. Ron has a big ego. What better way to satisfy it than by lapping the field? Mansell knows a thing or two about that
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14 Jun 2003, 20:54 (Ref:631551)
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The F2003-ga was designed in 02 so if you look at that way they are in the same boat. Mclaren have been there and done it so many times they will be back on top so much so that ferrari will be saying "why didnt we think of that"
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15 Jun 2003, 02:46 (Ref:631742)
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By the way, it seems the "Wonder Car" F2003-GA is not so dominant as it menaced to be (and it is good news). It is a great car (possibly the best) but its pace is not too much different of the supposedly troublesome Williams, and lap gaps are not big respect the "old" Mac and the Renault.
In Montecarlo, race lap times were not particularly fast, and we will see on Sunday race in Montreal. Maybe it is particularly good in aero circuits (as Montmelo, Suzuka,...). In this point, it is also good news for Mac. |
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