2016 Creventic 24H Series

Madkart · 10 Mar 2016, 15:08 (Ref:3621878)

Second round of the season will be at Mugello. It's a solid entry list for a 12 hour race... but the time schedule just seems to me a bit odd. Why race for four hours, have an almost 16 hour intermission and then resume the next 8? How is that considered a 12 hour race?

BSchneiderFan · 10 Mar 2016, 15:20 (Ref:3621881)

It's always struck me that billing themselves as a 24H series is somewhat misleading.

Speed-King · 10 Mar 2016, 15:29 (Ref:3621883)

It's officially called the International Endurance Series now, IIRC.

And the split format is due to noise regulations. I found it kind of strange initially, but it really works for them. If it helps. just consider the first part of the race a qualifier for the 2nd half. Which it is - in some ways as only full laps are counted when the race is resuming the next day.

Madkart · 10 Mar 2016, 15:36 (Ref:3621886)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

It's officially called the International Endurance Series now, IIRC.

And the split format is due to noise regulations. I found it kind of strange initially, but it really works for them. If it helps. just consider the first part of the race a qualifier for the 2nd half. Which it is - in some ways as only full laps are counted when the race is resuming the next day.

Yes but as a fan, don't you consider it to be a bit of a cliffhanger? I could only just imagine watching a battle for the overall lead with 10 minutes left into the first part of the race, only to see the chequered flag and then wait for 16 hour and watch them do it all over again. It just doesn't quite make any sense to me I feel. Surely I'm not the only one?

Also, noise restrictions sounds a bit odd as well. I know Silverstone has one of the toughest noise restrictions in the world yet they can pull off a 24 hour race without any intermissions. There has to be another reason for this.

Victor_RO · 10 Mar 2016, 15:39 (Ref:3621887)

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Originally Posted by Madkart

Also, noise restrictions sounds a bit odd as well. I know Silverstone has one of the toughest noise restrictions in the world yet they can pull off a 24 hour race without any intermissions. There has to be another reason for this.

Noise restrictions might also mean a curfew and absolutely zero on-track activity after certain times, and tracks that have to comply with this may have a very limited amount of days per year where this doesn't apply (depending on how the noise limits have been negotiated with the local community).

Madkart · 10 Mar 2016, 15:53 (Ref:3621889)

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Noise restrictions might also mean a curfew and absolutely zero on-track activity after certain times, and tracks that have to comply with this may have a very limited amount of days per year where this doesn't apply (depending on how the noise limits have been negotiated with the local community).

Ah yes, I forgot about the curfews. Very interesting to see endurance races like these. Never have I ever heard of an endurance race with an intermission. Should still be fun I hope.

Deleted · 10 Mar 2016, 16:14 (Ref:3621892)

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Originally Posted by Madkart

Ah yes, I forgot about the curfews. Very interesting to see endurance races like these. Never have I ever heard of an endurance race with an intermission. Should still be fun I hope.

Zandvoort "12h" and Abu Dhabi "12h" do the same

Madkart · 10 Mar 2016, 16:18 (Ref:3621895)

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Zandvoort "12h" and Abu Dhabi "12h" do the same

Zandvoort organized by Creventic as well. So that's three enduros that do intermissions? That's a lot, but yet again there are always new enduros popping up everywhere now.

Deleted · 10 Mar 2016, 16:23 (Ref:3621897)

I don't like the split format, but then again I don't follow these events so it doesn't particularly matter to me.

Bcarr6 · 10 Mar 2016, 16:24 (Ref:3621899)

I watched the race last year, split format is fun, something a little different. As Speed-King says, the first segment is all about keeping on the lead lap, pitting tactically, and maintaining your speed, so you end up in a good spot on the grid for the start of the second segment. Then it turns up a notch for the second segment.

I certainly wouldn't want every endurance race like this, but it makes for an interesting dynamic

Deleted · 10 Mar 2016, 16:29 (Ref:3621902)

Doesn't it rob you off from night racing though

Most of these smaller, less-wrecked-by-FIA tracks that don't have systematic floodlighting, so they'd be more old school and pure spectacle in that regards

Madkart · 10 Mar 2016, 16:31 (Ref:3621903)

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Doesn't it rob you off from night racing though

Most of these smaller, less-wrecked-by-FIA tracks that don't have systematic floodlighting, so they'd be more old school and pure spectacle in that regards

Very good point, Chiana! Mugello must be wicked cool during the night!

MGDavid · 10 Mar 2016, 16:35 (Ref:3621904)

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Originally Posted by Madkart

Ah yes, I forgot about the curfews. Very interesting to see endurance races like these. Never have I ever heard of an endurance race with an intermission. Should still be fun I hope.

I did the Race of Remembrance clubbie 1000km at Anglesey last November.
Started at dusk (4pm) on Saturday, raced 3 hours into pitch darkness.
Then resumed at 0915 on Sunday for the remainder.
Yes, it was great fun.

Speed-King · 10 Mar 2016, 17:37 (Ref:3621918)

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Originally Posted by Madkart

Ah yes, I forgot about the curfews. Very interesting to see endurance races like these. Never have I ever heard of an endurance race with an intermission. Should still be fun I hope.

IMSA did the same thing back in the 80s at Watkins Glen...

Bcarr6 · 10 Mar 2016, 19:36 (Ref:3621950)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Doesn't it rob you off from night racing though

Most of these smaller, less-wrecked-by-FIA tracks that don't have systematic floodlighting, so they'd be more old school and pure spectacle in that regards

Would be awesome to have it into the night but again I think it's down to curfew hours unfortunately.

I agree this format is by no means ideal, but it works around the very tight local curfew hours nicely providing an interesting format for a slightly different race

BSchneiderFan · 10 Mar 2016, 22:26 (Ref:3621971)

I don't like the idea. If it's a 12-hour race you should race for 12 hours straight, unless it's unsafe to do so.

Napolis · 11 Mar 2016, 09:36 (Ref:3622089)

There will be in car TV feed from our car.

kipper · 11 Mar 2016, 10:46 (Ref:3622101)

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I don't like the idea. If it's a 12-hour race you should race for 12 hours straight, unless it's unsafe to do so.

Ordinarily, I would agree; however, if it is choice of a split race around a place like Zandvoort or a solid 12 hours around a less attractive venue, the likes of Zandvoort are more preferable.

Bcarr6 · 11 Mar 2016, 11:21 (Ref:3622103)

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Ordinarily, I would agree; however, if it is choice of a split race around a place like Zandvoort or a solid 12 hours around a less attractive venue, the likes of Zandvoort are more preferable.

Totally understand BSchniederFan's view, perhaps it shouldn't be called a 12 hour??

Don't know what else but perhaps your right that calling it a 12hr is misleading

Madkart · 11 Mar 2016, 12:15 (Ref:3622114)

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Originally Posted by Napolis

There will be in car TV feed from our car.

I'll be watching, James! Just wanted to ask how you feel about having a long intermission during the race? Unique, bad, good for the sport? Thanks.

Deleted · 11 Mar 2016, 12:18 (Ref:3622116)

It may be a 12h weekend, but not a 12 hour race.

I suppose ACO has experience in this well, with the 2009 Okayama 1000kms having been split to two 500km races.

Speed-King · 11 Mar 2016, 13:29 (Ref:3622125)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

It may be a 12h weekend, but not a 12 hour race.

I suppose ACO has experience in this well, with the 2009 Okayama 1000kms having been split to two 500km races.

They do, however, line up the cars on the grid under parc fermé conditions, so there's no repairing between the two heats.

**FIRE** · 11 Mar 2016, 17:29 (Ref:3622184)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Totally understand BSchniederFan's view, perhaps it shouldn't be called a 12 hour??

Don't know what else but perhaps your right that calling it a 12hr is misleading

They still race 12 hours.

Napolis · 11 Mar 2016, 22:10 (Ref:3622256)

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Originally Posted by Madkart

I'll be watching, James! Just wanted to ask how you feel about having a long intermission during the race? Unique, bad, good for the sport? Thanks.

I wish it was 12H's straight through but no noise is allowed at night so it is what it is.

Strange days...

courageous · 12 Mar 2016, 01:19 (Ref:3622279)

it's not a new thing - Brooklands back in the pre war era ran a double 12hr event

http://www.austinharris.co.uk/articl...931-brooklands

Mercedes Benz World these days runs a historic event with the same title
http://www.brooklandsmuseum.com/index.php?/double12/

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