pointless driver

bathurst77 · 14 Apr 2018, 05:23 (Ref:3815352)

Heres a question for the statistic freaks

What driver in history had the longest f1 career but never scored a point in his whole f1 career? How many races did he start?

Im asking because i want to know.

el_cat · 14 Apr 2018, 05:54 (Ref:3815355)

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Originally Posted by bathurst77

Heres a question for the statistic freaks

What driver in history had the longest f1 career but never scored a point in his whole f1 career? How many races did he start?

Im asking because i want to know.

Luca Badoer is your man. 50 starts, zero points

bathurst77 · 14 Apr 2018, 06:05 (Ref:3815357)

thanks el cat! Just reading up on him. Interesting guy

E.B · 14 Apr 2018, 08:17 (Ref:3815377)

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Originally Posted by el_cat

Luca Badoer is your man. 50 starts, zero points

Having come so close in only his 3rd race with a 7th in a Lola at the 1993 San Marino GP.

Down F0rce · 14 Apr 2018, 08:19 (Ref:3815378)

Would have scored points at the European GP in '99...

Red · 14 Apr 2018, 09:11 (Ref:3815386)

Some good stuff here too:

S griffin · 14 Apr 2018, 09:14 (Ref:3815387)

Came so close, especially when running 4th in the 1999 European, before his gearbox cried enough. Shows he was a good driver

newlaprecord · 14 Apr 2018, 12:52 (Ref:3815422)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Came so close, especially when running 4th in the 1999 European, before his gearbox cried enough. Shows he was a good driver

it shows that nurburgring 99 remains some of the wackiest races in the history, certainly the wackiest i have witnessed.at some point even my cousin was driving 4th. which is strange because i dont even have a cousin

thats how crazy that race was.

BSchneiderFan · 14 Apr 2018, 15:32 (Ref:3815448)

It was heartbreaking to see him break down - mechanically and emotionally - at the Nürburgring in ‘99. My gf wept. But he proved pretty hopeless when he subbed for Massa.

Red · 14 Apr 2018, 15:47 (Ref:3815451)

Yeah, but that was 10 years later and he was already 40 I believe. It was a mistake to get him in the first place. Anyway he was a decent driver, he doesn't really deserve this "title". (At least he was a very good tester, he did a good job at Ferrari.)

Red · 14 Apr 2018, 15:49 (Ref:3815452)

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Originally Posted by newlaprecord

it shows that nurburgring 99 remains some of the wackiest races in the history, certainly the wackiest i have witnessed.at some point even my cousin was driving 4th. which is strange because i dont even have a cousin

thats how crazy that race was.

Even Penelope Pitstop led the race at some point!

BSchneiderFan · 14 Apr 2018, 16:15 (Ref:3815453)

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Originally Posted by Red

Yeah, but that was 10 years later and he was already 40 I believe. It was a mistake to get him in the first place. Anyway he was a decent driver, he doesn't really deserve this "title". (At least he was a very good tester, he did a good job at Ferrari.)

True, but he wasn’t just a bit off the pace, he was qualifying a Ferrari at the back of the grid while his team mate was at the pointy end. I’d have had more sympathy if he’d been in the midfield.

Akrapovic · 14 Apr 2018, 19:00 (Ref:3815470)

To be fair, that was always going to happen. He'd been out of racing for 10 years, was 40 years old and had never driven the circuit before. He was given that drive as a thank you retirement gift really. So, as an Italian driver he could say he raced for Ferrari in F1. The championships were already lost for Ferrari, so it didn't matter.

BSchneiderFan · 14 Apr 2018, 21:00 (Ref:3815512)

I doubt Enzo would have taken that view.

Akrapovic · 14 Apr 2018, 21:43 (Ref:3815541)

Enzo also had the view that a car was more important than the drivers life, and that aerodynamics were for people who can't build engines. So to be honest, I doubt that would've come into it.

wnut · 15 Apr 2018, 00:00 (Ref:3815566)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

I doubt Enzo would have taken that view.

Considering Enzo died in 1988, I doubt he had mush of a view at all.

Turning in his grave perhaps?

Skam85 · 15 Apr 2018, 04:57 (Ref:3815600)

Fisi didn’t do very well in the Ferrari either, and he’d finished on the podium in a FI a few races before.

wnut · 15 Apr 2018, 05:37 (Ref:3815602)

Always thought that Chris Amon had a rough record:

"Phil Hill led 172 laps in a career which saw him win three Grands Prix and the 1961 World Championship. Chris Amon led 183 laps in his career…and never won a single race.
In 1968 alone he retired from three races with whilst in a position to win, the poor reliability of his Ferrari meaning he ended the year only 10th in the championship when he was arguably the best driver of the year.
Four more times he led races, but something always seemed to conspire against him being there when the flag fell, leaving him saddled with the horrible reputation of being the best F1 driver to never win a race."

From: 10 F1 Driver who hold unwanted records:

https://wtf1.com/post/10-f1-drivers-...anted-records/

coppice · 15 Apr 2018, 06:51 (Ref:3815614)

Comparisons are complicated by the facts that -

-until 2003 only top 6 got points (or top 5 in 50s )
- now top 10 do
- cars don't break now. Less chance of finding yourself with a point , even though you only need to plod round and end up 10th
- but far more Grands Prix now
- old days you'd get a point for FL

My nomination for the driver who looked more out of his depth than any I have seen in an F1 car was Richard Robarts (sic) . He rose without trace to get a Brabham/ Williams drive in 1974 - best finish 15th in Brabham and a DNS in Williams . Bless him , he then rightly returned to the obscurity from which he had emerged

S griffin · 15 Apr 2018, 08:20 (Ref:3815647)

Badoer was actually 38 in 2009. The problem was he got little, if any running in the car that season, as that was when in season testing was first banned. So we can't judge him on that two race stint

Mekola · 15 Apr 2018, 20:19 (Ref:3815824)

In fact that man was Piercarlo Ghinzani. Raced from 1981 to 1989 had more than 100 starts and never scored a single point.

peebee2 · 15 Apr 2018, 20:26 (Ref:3815825)

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Originally Posted by Mekola

In fact that man was Piercarlo Ghinzani. Raced from 1981 to 1989 had more than 100 starts and never scored a single point.

Only if you exclude 1984 when he got 2 points for finishing 5th somewhere (San Marino?) - LOL.

**Adam43** · 15 Apr 2018, 20:31 (Ref:3815826)

Wiki says Dallas in 1984.

That was a bit of a lottery, but he did score some points. He also had a couple of 7ths that year (and another in 1987).

S griffin · 16 Apr 2018, 08:51 (Ref:3815969)

And he failed to qualify for almost as many as he raced

steve_r · 16 Apr 2018, 09:48 (Ref:3815980)

There used to be a great website called F1 rejects. It seemed to disappear a while ago. Someone has restored it here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20041204...m:80/main.html

This will tell you all you need to know about the drivers who battled at the less glamorous end of the grid.

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