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19 Aug 2013, 16:14 (Ref:3291775) | #1 | |
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Ricciardo is the man?!
After reading this article (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109333), it will become obvious to you that Daniel Ricciardo is the man who will replace Mark Webber to take over the role of "pushover Aussie" for RBR.
However, this is clearly not the best RBR could do. If not for 'sponsorship problems' then what's wrong with Nico Hulkenberg? And even within STR, Ricciardo has been outdone in the past 2 championships by Jean-Éric Vergne in the standings. As good as he is, is he really deserving of a top seat? |
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I don't think he has been undone by JEV at all. You have to look at more than just the results.
Kimi wanted more than RBR were prepared to give him and they were not prepared to create tension in a team that is the opposite of the image they live with and have created amongst themselves. Now there's only the Kimi to Ferrari rumours to settle unless of course Fernando really does walk away.... |
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I have a gut feeling - and they are usually wrong - that Ricciardo may blossom at Red Bull. They just need to cut him some slack early on, but I think he may be up at the front by the end of next season (unless the car is a dog).
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the very best of british to ricciardo if he has got the drive for next year. it's going to be one of, if not the best car on the grid and what he's been working towards his whole life.
it's a surprise in that they obviously had better drivers to go for but if one of those wants more in a season than red bull invested in ricciardo's entire pre-f1 career... it defeats the object of brewing your own f1 driver in the first place. depending on how vergne (or even da costa) goes at toro rosso ricciardo could be on a very short leash... |
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F1 can be really harsh and people who have not ingrained themselves to their employers sufficiently have often been moved on without ceremony if someone better was available. Historically Johansson, Rosberg, Andretti, Brundle, were all moved from McLaren after a season for someone who was perceived as better or more desirable. Watson procrastinated over his contract and suddenly Prost became available. Dear John... Then Kovalainen made way for Button.... And this is just McLaren. RBR can look for another Vettel far more cheaply than buying an existing or current champion. But if you don't cut the mustard they aren't going to mess around and that is maybe why being a Red Bull baby is a bit of a poisoned chalice. You may only get one throw at it If Red Bull drop you then everyone knows you aren't probably up to elite standard so it creates an signal to every other team in the F1 paddock that you aren't going to set the world on fire. |
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It seems to be the man for RBR.
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Vettel was more of a gamble than Ricciardo, he'd only had one season under his belt, and it's was very mixed. Didn't he dnf on the first lap 3-4 races in a row in 2008?
Although he did win a race and RB wasn't the top team back then. They kind of have to support their driver program, otherwise it just makes a mockery of it and the Torro Rosso team. Kimi was slightly different, because he's a top 4 driver in F1. Hulkenberg is not. It'll be strange seeing Da Costa in the Torro Rosso next year, in some ways he hasn't really earned that seat yet. A few wins in WSR, mostly last year, and then a solid comeback in Gp3 in 2012 (only because Mitch just couldn't seem to string some luck together in the latter half) doesn't put him above guys like Valsecchi and Frijns who are champions. |
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Valsecchi? Woah.
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And look down to RBR's driver programme. Both da Costa and Sainz Jr could do with a couple more seasons under their belts to mature and become a world class racer, which they have the potential to do, but Danil Kyvat? His awful test showings at Silverstone aren't the only problems. If he's meant to be the next driver for RBRs F1 team(s), then why is he not competitive in European F3? Whilst Marciello is Ferrari's man, why not invest in Felix Rosenqvist or Alex Lynn, who show more potential? And then there is clearly some favouritism from Christian Horner between the 2 STR drivers. As far as I'm concerned, by looking at Ricciardo and not Vergne, then claiming the Frenchman is not ready for F1, after showing some amazing pace at Monaco and Montreal, only to suddenly drop away from Ricciardo, suggests to me that maybe Ricciardo's sudden and massive advantage isn't just the Aussie's determination, but also Red Bull trying to hype up their next driver, and as a result Vergne is now looking average again. Call me cynical, but this could be the case. It would certainly give Ricciardo a big psychological boost heading into next season. And Hulkenberg, given the car, could easily be one of Formula 1's best ever drivers. He led the most laps in the 2012 Brazilian GP finale in a Force India in outrageously slippery conditions, giving wet weather demi-gods Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton (something British then?) a run for his money. And he should've got a podium at Spa last year, but the team put him on a slower strategy than those around him, costing him. |
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Red Bull have nothing to lose by putting Ricciardo in the car on a one-year deal. If he fails, they will still have a 3 (or 4?) time WDC in the other car who (barring freak injury) will extract the best out of it.
Honestly, if they did not go for one of the Torro Rosso drivers, what is the point of having that as a second team? I think Ricciardo will do well. In fact, I think RBR have made this decision one year too late. |
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i just had a look at the 3.5 field to try and find some counter-suggestions to your f3 ones (who don't inspire me at all, sorry ), but mclaren, and lotus have got the couple of drivers who i'm most impressed by. i think muller has endless potential and would be a great fit with williams, stevens is fine for caterham, but i can't quite think of a home for melker. he's really quick though, even if you get the distinct impression that he's being flattered by a teammate whose heart just isn't in it any more. i think you're barking up the wrong tree by suggesting there's bias within red bull, but that's just my opinion rather than being backed up by some sort of ~insider knowledge. ricciardo has just been doing exactly what he's been doing all year whilst vergne has good days and bad days around him. there's no doubt that on a good day, jev is better than ricciardo, imo. vergne was fine in qualifying in 3.5 and f3, give or take a tenth or two with similar small time and tyre windows for performance, so perhaps it's related to tyre characteristics? also, imo you're flattering hulkenberg - throughout his career to f1 he has had the best car, in the best team in any series. he's very good and well-practiced at exploiting that, and he's certainly producing some good performances in f1, but a hero? hmmm. woah, epic post, sorry! |
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Good decision putting Ricciardo there, hopefully he'll do better (?) than Webber, whatever that means.
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Well, I suppose that I can see the thinking behind it. Having a second team and developing drivers there for Red Bull. Plus, having him serve as an understudy to Vettel might be good. Having Kimi and Vettel lock horns(no pun intended) in the same team might turn things nasty.
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Perhaps RB are grooming for Vettels replacement, in case he wants to go to Ferrari in 2017 (or earlier if Alonso throws the towel in, because that is a long way away), they'll then have Ricciardo all ready to take over.
Will Kimi still be in F1 in 2017, and even if he is, he most likely won't be at his peak anymore and won't be RB's best option in a few years time. But Ricciardo and Verge could be peaking. All pretty unlikely though as that's 4 years away, anything could happen in that time. But they could be thinking more about the future, and post-Vettel. |
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Esteban Guerrieri is very pleased with the idea to see Ricciardo in Red Bull.
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I am coming to the thinking that Hulk is in the Fisi/Frentzen mould. Excellent in mid field cars...will be disappointing in front running car Dan had stupid speed back in his first few tests with RBR...years later RBR have opened the door for him to show what he has got to offer. I am stoked that in 12 months we will be able to answer the question of just how good he is. I think he will prove many wrong and will surprise many with his consistency and results in his rookie year in a top shelf team! If not...I will be happy enough to at least see more of a guy that smiles and looks to enjoy himself vs most others who look like they want to kill themselves they are so miserable eveyr GP weekend. Just have to get Romain back to his smiling ways and the paddock will be a better place Last edited by OZ_HCR32; 21 Aug 2013 at 04:27. |
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James Allen predicted before the British GP that Dan will go back to showing superior pace to Jev at Silverstone and following races. His reasoning was that Jev is very good at the slow stuff where Dan is VERY good in the high speed stuff with his accuracy and feel for the car. Sort of the opposite of Jev. Thats James Allens reasoning why Jev looked good in Canada and Monaco...but he seemed to have called it that the traditional F1 circuits favour Dans natural feel and style of driving. So I dont think its anything consipiracy related. |
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