Tour Britannia (Harrogate start)

[Peter Mallett]

Stuff being driven about the place.

[gary396]

Peter,

The dates have been changed for this one - now from the Wed 6th - Fri 8th June. Gary

http://www.tourbritannia.com/

[Peter Mallett]

Done thanks.

[john ruston]

Still some places left!

Should be a decent one this year as its around Yorkshire with Cadwell,Croft etc,etc,

Not the stupid Rally Stages from last year and all that traffic.

They are allowed one crappy year in seven and that was last year!

[gary396]

Weather forecast not looking so great for this week but it will be good to have them back in Yorkshire. I think I'll be at Croft and Cadwell, not sure where else.

[John Turner]

Having to work this week; so much for retirement! Would have loved to get up to Cadwell. Hope this goes really well and hopefully someone will post pics.

[john ruston]

Melissa and Jez are using the car they pinched from my garage.See if he can win it for firth time with the soon to be Mrs Haylock.That should test the relationship.

[retrognome]

Originally Posted by John Turner

Having to work this week; so much for retirement! Would have loved to get up to Cadwell. Hope this goes really well and hopefully someone will post pics.

We are supporting two cars. Steve and Tony Graham in their lovely Lancia 1.3 Fulvia and the Cooke/Dowd Porsche RSR 911. I will be covering both days and there is a preview plus full info at www.retro-speed.co.uk. The entry is actually only a few cars down on last year with just a couple of cars preferring the more gentle Three Castles Welsh Trial which unfortunately, also starts tomorrow. I intend posting pictures before heading on to Cadwell Park on Friday night for the VSCC Meeting.

[john ruston]

Understand it's a very wet Tour.

Pleased I am not there but the stand in Team is doing well with a driver who has never done an event of any type before.My old cars going well.

[retrognome]

I can confirm that the weather is awful but it does shake things up so that as of last night Roger Kilty in his Escort RS 1600 was second to the Phil Hindley/Andy Bull Porsche 3.0 SC. The road registered Radical just has to be seen on a special stage to be believed as does the Manuel Ferrao Ferrari 275 GTB. Great thing is everyone is going for it. Full placings at TSL while we have updates at R/S, yesterday will be up by 09.00 this morning.

[retrognome]

Originally Posted by retrognome

I can confirm that the weather is awful but it does shake things up so that as of last night Roger Kilty in his Escort RS 1600 was second to the Phil Hindley/Andy Bull Porsche 3.0 SC. The road registered Radical just has to be seen on a special stage to be believed as does the Manuel Ferrao Ferrari 275 GTB. Great thing is everyone is going for it. Full placings at TSL while we have updates at R/S, yesterday will be up by 09.00 this morning.

Struggling with GTB image, rain in camera?

[delta]

Thanks for pics Retro. BTW who is driving the Radical

[john ruston]

Iain

Radical

Richard Meaden/Jethro Bovington

[retrognome]

Its all over and Phil Hindley and Andy Bull retained their lead to win by nearly two minutes. Second was a very hard driving Roger Kilty with Lynette Banks in the Ford RS 1600 Escort. Stuart Scott took his Camaro to third after the Cooke/Dowd Porsche RSR succumbed to rear suspension problems. Pics of top three cars. full report on www.retro-speed tomorrow. Goodness me it rained!

[john ruston]

Always amazed the way people report these things.

You mention the top three cars in speed event.No mention of regularity or handicap which are at least as important.

Porsche 3 0 won the speed event,Porsche 2.2,Macau winning car, with Mel Raven and Jez Haylock the regularity and waiting for Handicap winners.

Event needs things other than real and pretend Porsches to win things and people should remember there are three sections to all these Tours.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by john ruston

Always amazed the way people report these things.

You mention the top three cars in speed event.No mention of regularity or handicap which are at least as important.

Porsche 3 0 won the speed event,Porsche 2.2,Macau winning car, with Mel Raven and Jez Haylock the regularity and waiting for Handicap winners.

Event needs things other than real and pretend Porsches to win things and people should remember there are three sections to all these Tours.

Congratulations to Melissa and Jez- obviously not too many in-car disagreements.

I have to agree with you John regarding reporting on the category winners. I am not having a pop at Peter but most of the magazine reports that will follow. Having won the Index of Performance 2 years ago in one of the rarer cars to have done the event the result was almost invisible to most of the press! Actually, the Index doesn't even feature on the TB website results as a category this year, so hopefully it still exists?

As you say, could do with less 911s in Competition, but they are potential winners, so can't blame the owners... Where were the 26Rs this year?

[john ruston]

The Escort that was second in scratch won the Index/Handicap.Well done against those large engined Porsches.

[retrognome]

Originally Posted by john ruston

Always amazed the way people report these things.

You mention the top three cars in speed event.No mention of regularity or handicap which are at least as important.

Porsche 3 0 won the speed event,Porsche 2.2,Macau winning car, with Mel Raven and Jez Haylock the regularity and waiting for Handicap winners.

Event needs things other than real and pretend Porsches to win things and people should remember there are three sections to all these Tours.

You are absolutely right, the regularity category involves both crew members to a much larger extent. The reason I did not mention winners was the result was not confirmed when I posted, we now know that Melissa Raven/Jeremy Haylock in their Porsche, beat the Graham brothers by 2.3 seconds. The organisers issued confusing results after Cadwell Park, which showed the Porsche in second place. I'm not sure what you mean by 'pretend' Porsche? And although a limited entry I felt privileged to stand in the rain and watch a Ferrari 275 GTB blasting through a series of special stages without thought to it's value. It's easy to be cynical but organising an event of this kind today must be a nightmare. What could they do differently?

[Colin Parkinson]

Has anyone actually seen a full set of results yet?

Nothing on TB web site or Facebook and twitter (Whatever they might be!!)

CP

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Colin Parkinson

Has anyone actually seen a full set of results yet?

Nothing on TB web site or Facebook and twitter (Whatever they might be!!)

CP

There are some results on the website but not same as in previous years. Not easy to follow.....

Having just returned from Snetterton where the 3hr Guards race is taking place later, think have answered question as to why all the Elans were missing from entry! Must have cost a few starters having TB immediately before.

[john ruston]

The reduced entry was caused to a certain extent by clash of other events and last years outing being without doubt the worst in the events history.

Certainly Alec Poole knows of the problem and this year intended getting back on track.Understand it has gone well despite the appalling British weather.

The event needs to flourish but June brings crappy weather so why not revert to early September.

The competition Porsches 911's are not always what they seem!Always based on a real car!Just to many of them as they are the easiest to prepare/use on an event such as this.Tour Auto is in the happy position of being able to ration the number but Alec needs the entries.

The Porsche that won the Regularity I do know a bit about.It's the winning Macau GP car driven by Teddy Yip.Very Historic car (but I would say that as I own it)

Jez has now won the TB regularity bit five times.

Melissa had never done any type of Motorsport before.Not a bad first try!

Back to North Wales next year or the Midlands base?

[retrognome]

A few shots, including Melissa/Jeremy in the Porsche. Steve and Tony Graham Fulvia, Max Taylor and Mike Hickson Aston Martin DB2, John Cook and Geoff Awde Sunbeam Rapier

[john ruston]

Like that Rapier.

Seem to remember Andrew Hall doing Tour Auto competition category in one.

Something I always wanted as remember driving one in early 60's when I was thinner.

[retrognome]

Originally Posted by john ruston

Like that Rapier.

Seem to remember Andrew Hall doing Tour Auto competition category in one.

Something I always wanted as remember driving one in early 60's when I was thinner.

A man after my own heart. I prepared a Rapier Series 111A for historic rallying and competed on the Monte Carlo Challenge organised by Philip Young. It was the GTi of it's period. Comfortable, disc brakes and with a little fiddling, overdrive on all four gears plus reverse.

[John Turner]

Yes, I like the Rapier too, although I like the predecessor, the ST 90 even more. It won't come as a surprise to J R, however, that the DB2 hits the spot, though he has never understood my predilection for Feltham Astons.