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Old 7 Feb 2008, 22:55 (Ref:2123644)   #1
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Merger Imminent?

Hey gang,

Just a heads up, but multiple discussion boards, as well as sources within the industry are stating the split is finally over, with merger announcement expected very very shortly. While we have heard this before, sounds pretty good this time. We'll wait and see.

Cheers,

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Old 7 Feb 2008, 23:33 (Ref:2123679)   #2
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There have been a few rumours floating about, Conquest and Walker to Indycar for one, on the other hand there is talk of a major announcement upcoming.

It isn't really much to go on (zero sources!) and I won't get my hopes up, but let's see anyways...
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There have been a few rumours floating about, Conquest and Walker to Indycar for one, on the other hand there is talk of a major announcement upcoming.

It isn't really much to go on (zero sources!) and I won't get my hopes up, but let's see anyways...
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Old 8 Feb 2008, 00:18 (Ref:2123702)   #4
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Well no, I wouldn't ideally think so.

But with the situation at present, I'd rule nothing out.
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Believe it when i see it. Like to see it, only believe it when I see it though.
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Check out Miller's new column at Speed, only been up for about an hour.

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It would be great, if CC and IRL will unite... only thing I can express sorrow for is the supposed use of IRL Dallaras instead of CC Panozes... I can't understand, what is the point of using old and soon-to-be-replaced IRL chassis (recent Indystar article said, the change will be in 2010) instead of new Panoz.

Overall, it must be huge logistical and organizational effort... kinda like cancellation of 2008 Dakar rally only a few hours before it went underway. Hopefully, all the parties from IRL and ChampCar can survive such transition (I would not hold my breath though, especially regarding small teams like Conquest or Dale Coyne)
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Old 8 Feb 2008, 11:13 (Ref:2123972)   #9
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It would be great, if CC and IRL will unite... only thing I can express sorrow for is the supposed use of IRL Dallaras instead of CC Panozes... I can't understand, what is the point of using old and soon-to-be-replaced IRL chassis (recent Indystar article said, the change will be in 2010) instead of new Panoz.


Provided panoz is no more brand-new, the reason is simple:
IRL can provide every CC team with Dallara chassis within a few weeks, after all it's about finding 14 chassis (the used cars market is very large, given the model age)

On the other side, can CC find 70 panoz cars within Indy500? Obviously not

More over, I have to guess that if the series merge this year, the new chassis release will be anticipated to 2009

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Old 8 Feb 2008, 11:24 (Ref:2123980)   #10
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Fingers crossed people, fingers crossed. I too will believe when i see it but atleast things sound positive.

I would prefer the use of Panoz just because i believe the Panoz is a better looking car (i'm swayed pretty easy).

Would you really need 70 cars when half of the nobodies that fill the final 6 rows won't be required???? It may sound harsh but the grid depth in the 500 has been ordinary for the past 5 years atleast IMO
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We need a car that can run on ovals. The Panoz isn't ideal for that.

I quite like the look of the Indycar's BTW. They aren't classically good looking, but they have a touch of the old school about them.
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More reports. Hallelujah...the end is in sight.
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It looks like this is it! Not holding my breath of course, but if it's going it happen it's now or never.
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I am stoked, this looks like it really could be the end if they can just sort the dates out.

Finally it seems both sides are accepting failure to get on the road to success.
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A couple of more articles on this:

http://ukpress.google.com/article/AL...bXKHapBKVY_nnw
http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html...rder=0&thold=0

It would appear that the Long Beach/Motegi clash is the only sticking point. TG is flying to Japan on Monday to try and convince them to move the race to later in the season. I'm sure the folks at Honda (who own the track) will see just how big this is and make a deal. What do they want? About 20 cars this April or maybe 35+ later in the year?

Another point - I'm sure Honda will have lost some revenue since they lost a permanent F1 race at Suzuka. A merged US Open Wheel series could easily be just as big in motorsport mad Japan as F1. C'mon Honda, you know it makes sense!
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Wow! There have been rumours, but didn't think it was this close to happening.

Despite all that has been said, I hope they finally see sense and do it. The war needs to end.
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With the money they make with engines, they should easily find an arrangement; after all it's not about dropping the race, but just displacing it!

I expect an announcement to be made by today (in the USA timezone of course)

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Prepare and be ready to merge the CC and IRL fora!

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Honda want this merger as much as anybody, they will find a way to move that Motegi date. It will be tricky, but this will not block anything in the end I'm sure.

I'm pumped over this, surely we won't be left disappointed?
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I'm sorry but I just have to laugh!
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I hope they don't cock it up this time.

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Even if in the unlikley event of Honda not willing to play ball on this one (and why wouldn't they?!) It won't be the end of the world. If they CC teams already have thier Panoz cars, maybe they can run an exhibition race at Long Beach as a farewell before a proper merge with the IRL in time for what will be one of the best - and most important - Indy 500s in years.
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If there's a merger it will be the best days of our lives! Just think, if all the CC teams come over along with the IRL teams, that's easierly over 30 cars. Just like the old days before the split or early split for both IRL and CART. I also think a merged series will show a lot of people to make new teams and join 'the Indy Car World Series' as its a hell of a lot more easier to run in a unified series then two split ones were no new names join.

Just think, the Indy 500 would have a very strong grid, the bumping! Stories and articles such as this bring strong reassurance. I mean if Robert Clarke from Honda is going to fly to Motegi to try get the date switched it shows how serious they are. It just has to happen. If it don't stuff 'em!

As for it may not be 100% 50/50, at the end of the day I'm not bothered we all just want a merged series.

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Yeah, it'll unify the boards here too Luke. Hallelujah.

C'mon guys, don't nobody screw this up.
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It sounds like the details are done with the exception of Long Beach/Motegi. There'll be some way they'll figure that one out, IMO. One series again....I hope.
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My only beef with this is it sounds like it would be Long Beach + IRL schedule. If thats the case I'll stop following if we don't see classic CART tracks like Laguna, RA, Cleveland and Toronto
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