Brands F3 weekend

[piquetfan]

Grids

RACE 1

POS NO CL DRIVER NAT CAR TIME LAPS GAP MPH
1 33 C Nelson PIQUET JR BRA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.073 17 118.74
2 12 C Will DAVISON AUS Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 1:19.139 12 0.066 118.64
3 24 C Eric SALIGNON FRA Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 1:19.159 15 0.086 118.61
4 17 C Danny WATTS GBR Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 1:19.321 14 0.248 118.37
5 4 C Jamie GREEN GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.363 17 0.290 118.31
6 27 C Billy ASARO CAN Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.397 14 0.324 118.26
7 35 C Lewis HAMILTON GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.461 16 0.388 118.16
8 9 C Clivio PICCIONE MON Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.538 16 0.465 118.05
9 16 C Andrew THOMPSON GBR Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 1:19.547 14 0.474 118.03
10 6 C Robert DAHLGREN SWE Dallara F303 Renault Sodémo 1:19.615 13 0.542 117.93
11 3 C Michael KEOHANE IRL Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.626 16 0.553 117.92
12 51 S Ernesto VISO VEN Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 1:19.731 15 0.658 117.76
13 7 C Richard ANTINUCCI USA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.735 12 0.662 117.75
14 22 C Ronnie BREMER DEN Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.770 21 0.697 117.70
15 11 C Robert DOORNBOS NL Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 1:19.907 14 0.834 117.50
16 1 C Robbie KERR GBR Lola-Dome F106 Mugen-Honda 1:20.025 17 0.952 117.33
17 21 C Alan VAN DER MERWE RSA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:20.137 14 1.064 117.16
18 59 S Karun CHANDHOK IND Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 1:20.213 17 1.140 117.05
19 58 S Steven KANE GBR Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 1:20.219 17 1.146 117.04
20 5 C Will POWER AUS Dallara F303 Renault Sodémo 1:20.237 10 1.164 117.02
21 2 C Scott SPEED USA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:20.374 19 1.301 116.82
22 63 S Justin SHERWOOD GBR Dallara F301 Opel Spiess 1:20.951 17 1.878 115.99
23 8 C Fairuz FAUZY MAL Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:21.127 16 2.054 115.73
24 23 C Tor GRAVES GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:21.370 15 2.297 115.39
25 18 C Rizal RAMLI MAL Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 1:21.563 16 2.490 115.12
26 19 C Masato SHIMOYAMA




RACE 2


POS NO CL DRIVER NAT CAR TIME LAPS GAP MPH
1 33 C Nelson PIQUET JR BRA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:18.823 16 119.12
2 11 C Robert DOORNBOS NL Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 1:18.993 17 0.170 118.86
3 27 C Billy ASARO CAN Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.063 19 0.240 118.76
4 4 C Jamie GREEN GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.174 17 0.351 118.59
5 24 C Eric SALIGNON FRA Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 1:19.189 18 0.366 118.57
6 21 C Alan VAN DER MERWE RSA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.209 19 0.386 118.54
7 12 C Will DAVISON AUS Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 1:19.225 15 0.402 118.51
8 16 C Andrew THOMPSON GBR Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 1:19.254 19 0.431 118.47
9 6 C Robert DAHLGREN SWE Dallara F303 Renault Sodémo 1:19.375 16 0.552 118.29
10 22 C Ronnie BREMER DEN Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.489 19 0.666 118.12
11 7 C Richard ANTINUCCI USA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.620 18 0.797 117.92
12 3 C Michael KEOHANE IRL Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.632 18 0.809 117.91
13 17 C Danny WATTS GBR Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 1:19.681 16 0.858 117.83
14 8 C Fairuz FAUZY MAL Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.830 18 1.007 117.61
15 51 S Ernesto VISO VEN Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 1:19.933 17 1.110 117.46
16 9 C Clivio PICCIONE MON Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:19.961 18 1.138 117.42
17 1 C Robbie KERR GBR Lola-Dome F106 Mugen-Honda 1:20.069 16 1.246 117.26
18 58 S Steven KANE GBR Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 1:20.168 20 1.345 117.12
19 59 S Karun CHANDHOK IND Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 1:20.321 12 1.498 116.90
20 2 C Scott SPEED USA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:20.326 18 1.503 116.89
21 23 C Tor GRAVES GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:20.432 17 1.609 116.73
22 63 S Justin SHERWOOD GBR Dallara F301 Opel Spiess 1:20.728 16 1.905 116.31
23 18 C Rizal RAMLI MAL Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 1:21.339 15 2.516 115.43
24 19 C Masato SHIMOYAMA JPN Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 1:22.018 14 3.195 114.48
25 35 C Lewis HAMILTON GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 7:53.252 7 6:34.429 19.84


So, does it really mater who will be the runner up? I don't think so since both GReen and Piquet did a good job this year.

Next year, Hitech may be the team to beat - can't be just coincidence that they're doing so well in the last races.

[piquetfan]

By the way, Will Power had a serious accident and is in hospital. First quali had to be interrupted for 20 minutes so that he could be removed from the car.

[piquetfan]

In the beginning of the second session Piquet had an accident and partially damaged the car. He was in the last positions, but with 7 minutes remaining the mechanics got the car ready for him. In the final attempt, he set pole again.

Still, all this effort and the two poles may not make any difference. Green is in the top 5 in both races, and 30 points clear. He will probably finish second in the championship.

[fantasytoca]

Best wishes to Will for a quick recovery

[105octane]

Hope Will is ok and makes a speedy recovery.

[Daisy]

1. Nelson Piquet Jr C Piquet Sports Dallara-Mugen 15 laps 20m 04.063s
2. Will Davison C Menu Dallara-Opel +5.579s
3. Danny Watts C Hitech Dallara-Renault +9.688s
4. Billy Asaro C P1 Dallara-Mugen +11.831s
5. Eric Salignon C Hitech Dallara-Renault +15.675s
6. Robert Dahlgren C Fortec Dallara-Renault +16.244s
7. Andrew Thompson C Hitech Dallara-Renault +16.579s
8. Richard Antinucci C Promatecme Dallara-Mugen +17.431s
9. Ronnie Bremer C Carlin Dallara-Mugen +17.843s
10. Michael Keohane C Carlin Dallara-Mugen +20.433s
11. Alan van der Merwe C Carlin Dallara-Mugen +20.868s
12. Clivio Piccione C Manor Dallara-Mugen +21.504s
13. Ernesto Viso S P1 Dallara-Mugen +24.186s
14. Robbie Kerr C ADR Lola-Dome-Mugen +25.164s
15. Steven Kane S T-Sport Dallara-Mugen +27.776s
16. Scott Speed C ADR Dallara-Mugen +28.207s
17. Fairuz Fauzy C Promatecme Dallara-Mugen +28.604s
18. Karun Chandhok S T-Sport Dallara-Mugen +31.973s
19. Justin Sherwood S Performance Dallara-Opel +41.023s
20. Tor Graves C Manor Dallara-Mugen +41.431s
21. Rizal Ramli C Team SYR Dallara-Opel +55.753s
22. Masato Shimoyama C Team SYR Dallara-Opel +1min 05.577s
23. Will Power C Fortec Dallara-Renault +2 laps

Rtd Lewis Hamilton C Manor Dallara-Mugen 13 laps completed
Rtd Robert Doornbos C Menu Dallara-Opel 8 laps completed
Rtd Jamie Green C Carlin Dallara-Mugen 3 laps completed


Fastest laps:

Robert Doornbos C Menu Dallara-Opel 1m 19.127s lap 6
Ernesto Viso S P1 Dallara-Mugen 1m 20.383s lap 10

[Mr Jinxx]

What happened in race 2 then?? Run in 2 parts, it seems. Yound Piquet seems pretty much totally on song, doesn't he?

[Russfeld]

Does anyone else thing aggregate races are useless? Either call it early, or restart the race with fewer laps.

[bella]

you couldn't call it after 4 laps. in this case it would have been better to use the finishing order after 4 laps as a grid since there hadn't really been time to build up any huge gaps between cars to make it worth doing aggregate.

in principle aggregate is a good idea after about 10 laps. if a guy is running away with the lead then he can keep that lead whereas otherwise he'd lose it.

[Russfeld]

With 4 laps gone (depending on total) id eithre go with your idea of restart order as of then, or redo the grid entirely.

[Yunis]

hmmm....what happend to young boy wonder??

[piquetfan]

Race results - Race 2

Green finished in third and is the runner up - congrats to him. I hope he stays for another season in F3. If he wins next year, I see a future similar to Jenson' for him.

Also congrats to Nelsinho who had a great season despite the fact that his team didn't know most circuits.


POS NO CL DRIVER NAT CAR TIME LAPS GAP MPH BEST
1 33 C Nelson PIQUET JR BRA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 16:05.169 12 116.81 1:18.865
2 11 C Robert DOORNBOS NL Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 16:16.967 12 11.798 115.40 1:19.948
3 4 C Jamie GREEN GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 16:19.476 12 14.307 115.10 1:19.963
4 21 C Alan VAN DER MERWE RSA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 16:21.375 12 16.206 114.88 1:19.798
5 27 C Billy ASARO CAN Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 16:23.895 12 18.726 114.58 1:19.963
6 6 C Robert DAHLGREN SWE Dallara F303 Renault Sodémo 16:26.453 12 21.284 114.29 1:19.887
7 12 C Will DAVISON AUS Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 16:26.538 12 21.369 114.28 1:19.144
8 24 C Eric SALIGNON FRA Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 16:26.811 12 21.642 114.24 1:19.727
9 7 C Richard ANTINUCCI USA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 16:30.294 12 25.125 113.84 1:19.984
10 22 C Ronnie BREMER DEN Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 16:31.230 12 26.061 113.73 1:20.009
11 16 C Andrew THOMPSON GBR Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 16:32.551 12 27.382 113.58 1:20.029
12 17 C Danny WATTS GBR Dallara F303 Renault Sodemo 16:34.025 12 28.856 113.42 1:20.268
13 8 C Fairuz FAUZY MAL Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 16:35.696 12 30.527 113.22 1:19.781
14 1 C Robbie KERR GBR Lola-Dome F106 Mugen-Honda 16:37.278 12 32.109 113.05 1:20.234
15 59 S Karun CHANDHOK IND Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 16:52.278 12 47.109 111.37 1:20.918
16 18 C Rizal RAMLI MAL Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 16:54.073 12 48.904 111.17 1:20.748
17 5 C Will POWER AUS Dallara F303 Renault Sodémo 16:55.167 12 49.998 111.05 1:20.525
18 63 S Justin SHERWOOD GBR Dallara F301 Opel Spiess 16:59.095 12 53.926 110.62 1:20.624
19 9 C Clivio PICCIONE MON Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 17:00.745 12 55.576 110.45 1:20.181
20 19 C Masato SHIMOYAMA JPN Dallara F303 Opel Spiess 17:09.146 12 1:03.977 109.54 1:22.082
21 3 C Michael KEOHANE IRL Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 16:32.195 11 1 LAP 104.16 1:19.567
Not Classified
51 S Ernesto VISO VEN Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 5:54.925 4 D.N.F. 106.01 1:21.884
58 S Steven KANE GBR Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 5:56.411 4 D.N.F. 105.56 1:22.542
23 C Tor GRAVES GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:35.206 1 D.N.F. 99.33 1:35.206
35 C Lewis HAMILTON GBR Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda 1:36.265 1 D.N.F. 98.24 1:36.265
2 C Scott SPEED USA Dallara F303 Mugen-Honda

[bella]

lewis was having a good weekend till the first race. he ran wide at paddock hill (seemed like he was driving it like a renault, he was carrying way too much speed into it), and according to autosport got himself a slow puncture. silly boy.

second race i don't know why he went badly in qually but in the race he got taken out by his billy teammate who couldn't overtake a very slow car without binning it, and taking out lewis by accident. apparently.

top drive by asaro. also good from salignon, but one has to wonder whether his massive improvement in form has come too late...

from a next year point of view, if all is well funding and backing wise, i look forward to a danny watts/jamie green/nelson piquet/lewis hamilton title fight.

[Mike.ca]

I'm glad to see Billy Asaro running at the front. He's had such a miserable season, first with the ADR mess, then with the Opel (though they're more competitive than in the early races). I wonder if he'll be back next year. With a good car from the start of the season, he could be a winner.

[Stephen Green]

Have to admit Nelson Jnr looks the business all weekend. As for aggregate scores etc, this is all covered in the rules for the series and therefore cannot be changed ad hoc.

[Mathias]

Originally posted by piquetfan
Green finished in third and is the runner up - congrats to him. I hope he stays for another season in F3. If he wins next year, I see a future similar to Jenson' for him.

Hmmm... talk about damning with faint praise!

Racing on Sunday was great - I don't know how many of you were there, but I hope you enjoyed it as much as we at dotdotdotcomma did.

Though it pains me to say it, Piquet really showed his speed at Brands, and thoroughly deserved his two victories, disappearing off into the distance so we could concentrate on more important matters...

Most importantly, of course, for us, was where The Next Jackie Stewart(tm), Andrew Thompson was going to finish, and we were very pleased to see him consolidate his improved qualifying positions with a 7th in the first race.

Jamie Green caused considerable excitement by not finishing race 1, leaving all to play for in defending his championship 2nd place in race 2 - and that was a little bit exciting - more than assisted by van der Merwe riding shotgun for him. What a nice bloke the South Efrican is, eh?

We were up at Druids when Ernesto and Steven had the tussle that secured the Venezuelan's Scholarship title, and I must say before anyone else questions it, that from our vantage point, it certainly looked like a racing incident, and I really can't believe that Ernesto (even though he can be a little, er, rash at times), yea verily, I can't believe that even Ernesto would have deliberately run Steven off the track by virtually driving over his T-Sport, while in the middle of a pack of about half a dozen other racing cars. Mind you, I don't blame Steven Kane for looking more than a bit p*ssed off, and he's certainly a driver with a great future behind him, as Murray Walker would say.

Talking of which, Damon Hill was knocking around in the Paddock. Top bloke. And James Rossiter and Susie Stoddart too, adding fuel to the speculation that they'll be driving in British F3 next year*, which can't be a bad thing.

*Not Damon, obviously.

[bella]

i'd agree that ernesto wouldn't do something like that on purpose, he's simply not that sort of person. just like any 'firey' driver, well like any driver, the concequences of an action doesn't enter his mind when he's doing it. in fact if it was anyone else in his way he'd do the same. it just so happened that it was steven kane.

non-sensical defending aside, i do feel sorry for steven kane, but call it karma. you get what you give. in the end everything comes back to you... he drove well and consistently but... he should have won. we'll see how he manages against next year's 'a' class.

[Jonny Apex]

Piquet was absolutely bloody awesome and made the rest look very ordinary. Within five laps of the restart of race two he was length of the pit straight in front ...

The Viso/Kane incident - why did Viso back off going up the hill to Druids and then accelerate again when Kane had got half his car past him on the outside? A shame it had to end like that, particularly as Viso, whose front wing was hanging on by a thread, wasn't going to beat Kane on outright pace ...

I think Hamilton's crash was very unfortunate. In the first race he ballsed up and admitted as much. In the second race, it appears Graves had become tangled up in some sort of incident with Keohane at Clearways and Lewis, coming through from last on the grid (after all his times had been excluded in qualifying) was unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time ...

[Stephen Green]

Shucks Mathias, I didn't realise you were at Druids...so was I.

[sgrok]

Originally posted by bella


second race i don't know why he went badly in qually but in the race he got taken out by his billy teammate who couldn't overtake a very slow car without binning it, and taking out lewis by accident. apparently.

Sorry, I think that's more than a bit harsh on Tor graves. If anyone was the F3 billy it was Hamilton, and unsurprisingly Keohane was there in the mix as well. To say anyone in the current F3 grid is a billy is rude and ignorant. At that level they're all compentent, and particluarly Graves, who may not be a front runner but he's more or less on the pace and a quiet unassuming guy.

Hamilton was in too deep this weekend. Like Piquet he folds under pressure to perform, and at 17/18 it's unsurprising as they're still kids really. There's a lot heaped on those two young sets of shoulders, and I think Hamilton's crash just highlighted what a serious and brave game it is, so none of the boys out on that track should be described as billys.

Off the circuit there has been a young life lost from the paddock in a serious accident and it's not something that should be taken lightly or as an opportunity to slag someone off. Sorry, it's just something I have particularly strong feelings on.

[bella]

everything's relative. and as for bringing personalities into what happens on the track i don't think that's an issue.

[Jonny Apex]

Originally posted by sgrok
[B
Off the circuit there has been a young life lost from the paddock in a serious accident and it's not something that should be taken lightly or as an opportunity to slag someone off. Sorry, it's just something I have particularly strong feelings on. [/B]

What has happened?

[Stephen Green]

I wasn't aware of any paddock accident???

[sgrok]

A member of one of the F3 teams was killed in a road accident. I'm not saying any more about that.

I just don't agree with slagging any of the F3 drivers off on ability or merit. I think they've all done a sterling job in a very competitive field this year. And I can't stand the extreme bias of hamilton fans. He's good, but not a superstar as his performance showed all weekend. He came off in amongst the pack of 'billys' because that's where he qualified. End of story.

[Tom Horley]

I think after that little speach Sgrok, your very ignorant to call Lewis a billy. He was taken to hospital with concussion yesterday. He was competative in an F3 car after very few tests, quicker than most in the field! I am biased cos he is my best mate but forgetting that he IS that damn good and everyone else recognises that! You can say what you like but i will fight you to the death about his talents..