Michaels Amazing Reliability

Mr V · 28 May 2002, 22:46 (Ref:298938)

Following JPM's engine failure at Monaco, Michael Schumacher is the only driver of this years field to have completed every single lap this season. (461 laps). Ferrari have produced yet another (fast and) reliable car, so how many more races do you think TGF can go without some sort of failure/accident? of the next 4 races (Canada/ Nurburgring/ Silverstone & Magny-Cours) he has had a fair amount of success mixed in with a (roughly) equal amount of failures, how far do you think he'll go?

here's a guide to his form at each track :-

Canada....1994/1st 95/dnf 96/dnf 97/1st 98/1st 99/dnf 2000/1st 2001/2nd

Nurburgring....97/dnf 98/2nd 99/dnf 2000/1st 2001/1st

Silverstone....94/dq 95/dnf 96/dnf 98/1st 99/dnf 2000/3rd 2001/2nd

Magny-Cours....94/1st 95/1st 96/dns 97/1st 98/1st 99/5th 2000/dnf 2001/1st

i reckon his first failure of the season will occur at Silverstone, at Copse corner!

BootsOntheSide · 29 May 2002, 02:30 (Ref:299035)

Yeah Schumacher has tended to have (by his standards) a poor phase mid-season, following a great start and preceding a great late-season run (basically it's how he lost the 98 title, and, with somewhat more success, how he won the 2000 title) and his record from the 2 German races isn't great, especially from the 3 'Germanic' races including Austria. His record at Silverstone especially is real bad- a disqualification, a broken leg, a clash with Hill, and one win which was debatable at best. I'm sure he can;t finish all thsoe 4 races, I sure hope not. The again, in 98 he scored 36 points from these 4 races.

DNQ · 29 May 2002, 07:16 (Ref:299126)

Michael has never really been too good at Silverstone, especially post 1999. In both 2000-01, he looked decidedly off the pace, one wonders if he mentally isn't as on the ball at the track after his accident.

Alan Jones · 29 May 2002, 07:56 (Ref:299153)

This is one painful thread. Unless you are a fan of TGF.

Credit where credit is due though, congrats to ferrari for engineering an excellent race car.

Sato san · 29 May 2002, 08:07 (Ref:299160)

thats right , Ferrari deserve a lot of credit for the cars that they've gave TGF this season so far . But on Mr v's point , I hope Michael does retire out of the race at Copse Corner at the british GP , as that where my grandstand seats are . Might have to give him a bit of friendly jeering !

Jukebox · 29 May 2002, 08:33 (Ref:299190)

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Originally posted by mr v
i reckon his first failure of the season will occur at Silverstone, at Copse corner!

Imagine you have polished your crystal ball to have that kind of vision

Mr V · 29 May 2002, 10:33 (Ref:299313)

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Originally posted by Jukebox

Imagine you have polished your crystal ball to have that kind of vision

not at all.........it's just that, if he's gonna breakdown, i want it right in front of me!!

f1manoz · 29 May 2002, 12:17 (Ref:299431)

Most teams can only wish for the reliability Ferrari has achieved. Absolutely brilliant mechanical performance.

downforce · 29 May 2002, 16:49 (Ref:299612)

You guys aren't the same guys who whistled and cheered the '99 incident at Stowe are you?

Number Juan · 29 May 2002, 17:05 (Ref:299621)

Its not just due to Michael's, its that he always keeps his nose out of trouble...so to speak of course. he's never in a pile-up and he's always puching it - yet keeping it cool and not over-doing it. its taken years to perfect and hopefully JPM can find some mechanical luck

Yoong Montoya · 29 May 2002, 19:37 (Ref:299757)

Remember when TGF's engine let go on the first lap of the French Grand Prix in 96?. Maybe if he does retire at T1 on the first lap in Silverstone it could be an engine failure. Unlikely I know, but it did happen to Jean Alesi at Germany 94.

(Does anyone know where there are mpegs of MS and JA's first lap engine failures at France 96 and Germany 94? I've only read about them, never actually seen them.)

Mr V · 29 May 2002, 21:20 (Ref:299852)

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Originally posted by downforce
You guys aren't the same guys who whistled and cheered the '99 incident at Stowe are you?

i presume you weren't there that day!.......i was.

i'll admit that i cheered when i heard over the tannoy that tgf had gone off at STOWE as did most of the crowd! but that was before we all saw the tv pictures i can tell you the whole place went silent very quickly! so don't give me any s*** about cheering him cos he stuffed it into the tyres!

i would like to remind people like you of hockenheim 1995, a certain Damon Hill was leading the first lap then had wheel bearing failure at the first corner of the second lap pitching him into the tyres, the whole crowd went nuts!

so don't consider judging people like me!

f1manoz · 30 May 2002, 01:12 (Ref:299967)

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Originally posted by downforce
You guys aren't the same guys who whistled and cheered the '99 incident at Stowe are you?

Certainly. I cheered my heart out UNTIL I realised that is was serious, then I was concerned that he had broken something.

Just because we don't like him and wouldn't mind him going off doesn't mean we want to see him injured.

No-one wishes to see any driver injured.

Jukebox · 30 May 2002, 01:24 (Ref:299972)

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Originally posted by mr v

not at all.........it's just that, if he's gonna breakdown, i want it right in front of me!!

I'd predict he would dominate on that track and be very glad that you would be able to witness his prowess and do send me some pics of him while ur at it will ya

Jukebox · 30 May 2002, 01:28 (Ref:299974)

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Originally posted by mr v

so don't consider judging people like me!

Yeah don't do that towards mr v...he's a levelheaded kinda guy although he supports the williams

Red · 30 May 2002, 05:18 (Ref:300050)

Was that supposed to be an excuse guys? Sorry, but you reversed the normal precedence of actions: accident-->worried-->see on TV that the driver walks unaided-->only then you may cheer if you feel it is appropriate (which is not). An accident, even a minor one, is serious stuff.

R · 30 May 2002, 06:50 (Ref:300074)

Well, TGF's accident at Silverstone was pretty much a head on impact (the commentator actually compared the crash to Senna's at Imola - except for the tyre barrier, of course). Just how bad a head on impact into a tyre barrier can be, was proven when Gonzalo Rodriguez was killed at Laguna Seca later in the year.

I also have the same impression as DNQ about TGF at Silverstone post 99. As for his amazing reliability, it's got to end sooner or later, the question is when. I can't see it happening in Canada...

f1manoz · 30 May 2002, 07:24 (Ref:300091)

Excuse me Red, but can you direct me to the rulebook which states when we can and cannot cheer?

I'm sure it would make fascinating reading

Let me guess, rule #1 will clearly stipulate that no-one can boo TGF when he goes off. But in any other circumstance (that means, any other driver) Tifosi will be allowed to cheer, whistle and heckle.

Mr V · 30 May 2002, 07:59 (Ref:300100)

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Originally posted by Jukebox

I'd predict he would dominate on that track and be very glad that you would be able to witness his prowess and do send me some pics of him while ur at it will ya

if i get some decent snaps of tgf (and any others if you wish to see them) i'll be glad to send them to ya!

Red · 30 May 2002, 08:03 (Ref:300104)

F1manoz, feel free to cheer as you whish whenever a driver goes off. That is he spins, stalls the engine etc. There's no such rulebook that you ask, however there's a little something called common sense that prevents one to cheer when someone suffers an accident. Schumacher did NOT spin into gravel. He hit the barriers. Heavily. At about 150 kmh (speed in the moment of impact, 300 kmh when he left the asphalt). If tifosi cheered and whistled when Hakkinen (for example) hit the barriers at Hockenheim 1999, a couple of weeks later, then they were as sick.

Mr V · 30 May 2002, 08:05 (Ref:300106)

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Originally posted by Red
Was that supposed to be an excuse guys?

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Originally posted by R
Well, TGF's accident at Silverstone was pretty much a head on impact

you guys seem to be missing the point......over the tannoy, it was stated that tgf had gone off at Stowe, not crashed! until we saw the pictures at Copse (where i was sitting) all i knew was that he was sitting in the (very big) gravel trap, not crashed into the tyres. nobody expected that a car going off at Stowe would actually make it as far as those tyres!

maybe we should all sit there in silence when a driver diviates from the track in future!

Red · 30 May 2002, 08:12 (Ref:300112)

OK Mr V, my mistake. I appologise. Anyway, I didn't want to direct that to you or Manoz.

PS: But I stand to my point. Every accident is serious, every "off" might end into barriers and, anyway, to cheer when that happens is not normal.

f1manoz · 30 May 2002, 08:38 (Ref:300126)

Red, I agree that every accident involving a crash into the barriers is serious. However because he had made attempts to get out of the car at first, my thinking was that he was out of the race, simple as that. It was only after he failed to get out, and then everyone was showing concerned, that I'm sure everyone stopped cheering.

BTW, I only watch this on TV so I yell at the TV!

Glen · 30 May 2002, 15:26 (Ref:300463)

Schumacher could have done the reverse of Austria 2002, and given away first place to whoever was second, Every Time he won last year - and still been WDC!

123 points, 9 wins - 9 x 4 points (difference between 1st & 2nd) = 36, 123 - 36 = 87 points.

DC - 65 points came second to MS twice = 73 points.

RB - 56 points, came second to MS three times = 68 points

ljakse · 30 May 2002, 15:43 (Ref:300472)

For last couple of rounds in our Prediction Comp. I've allready predicted that TGF will not finish. On the last one I predicted Juan too.
And guess what? Juan DNF, and that

red car keeps coming!

P.S. Glen, what does your post have to do with anything on this thread?

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