March 783

Dan Rear · 26 Apr 2006, 09:24 (Ref:1595256)

Reading the Jeff Allam interview in MS last night, I note they described his car as a 793. As it was an ex-Unipart car, albeit with Toyota not Dolomite engine, I think it was really an updated 783. In period the cars in 79 were described as 793s, but I'm sure I read they were the previous years cars, ie 783s, updated. Any views ?

allenbrown · 26 Apr 2006, 14:38 (Ref:1595489)

The Lawrence book (if you can figure out the tables) says 25 793s, compared with 31 783s. So plenty of them.

Allen

Chris Townsend · 27 Apr 2006, 17:12 (Ref:1596382)

Build record shows 1-29 on 783s plus a prototype. Unipart had chassis 11 and 12.
Nothing for 793s but have from various sources 793-2 Mansell and 15 Riley.

Chris

Dan Rear · 28 Apr 2006, 12:48 (Ref:1596913)

Chris, they looked v similar to the 783s, and definitely a different nose to a 'real' 793. I wonder whether with the salaries the drivers were on, and Pricey no doubt, they were able to afford brand new cars, updates I reckon. Not that these would have made much difference anyway with the engines they had to use!

**John Turner** · 28 Apr 2006, 17:41 (Ref:1597080)

Does this help? Paul Wyeth's ex Mansell 793 - 2 at Brands Hatch Superprix, July 2005:-

Matthew Sturmer · 11 May 2006, 17:23 (Ref:1606113)

The Brett Riley car is now owned by David O'Dwyer and is also campainged in Classic F3. It was due to be at Brands last weekend but due to a few problems David was unable to make it. He hopes to be at Silverstone next week.

Matthew

Dan Rear · 12 May 2006, 10:38 (Ref:1606873)

Is there a plate on it Matthew, and if so, does this confirm whether its a 783, or 793 ?

Matthew Sturmer · 16 May 2006, 18:05 (Ref:1611700)

I don't know but both cars are at Silverstone on Saturday so I will have a look.

Matthew

Matthew Sturmer · 21 May 2006, 13:27 (Ref:1615568)

I checked the cars yesterday and the Mansell car is 793/2 and the Riley car is 793/15.

Dan Rear · 22 May 2006, 12:42 (Ref:1616255)

Well that looks conclusive then Matthew. So if the 79 Unipart cars were proper 793s, not updated 783s, then I wonder where the 783s went to? Another of my pet theories demolished after 20+ years !!!

Chris Townsend · 22 May 2006, 15:36 (Ref:1616379)

Dan

Brett Riley's Dave Price entered car in 1980 was based on a "spare Unipart 783" according to Autosport. Often described as a 793, and latterly as an 803 I think it always had the 783 tub. [There is no sales record of an 803 that seems to accomodate Price/Riley)
So that's where one went!

Chris

Dan Rear · 23 May 2006, 13:08 (Ref:1617127)

Chris, agreed re the Riley 80 car, it looked like a 783 with pods, but then again so did the '793s'...

When Kim M rebuilt his 772P after his mate David Ward smashed it up in a July Libre meet, it looked more like a 79B than a 782. He told me at the time that the pods he put on it were ex-Unipart/Price F3 ones.

Scuderia SSS · 8 Apr 2007, 01:23 (Ref:1885822)

Not sure if any of you guys are interested, but i have a multitude of studio shots and track shots of Brett Rileys March. Also have numerous pictures of Tiff's March, Tony Dron, Trevor van Rooyen, Nigel mansell, Ian Taylor, and even Tom Lauda (Niki's nephew). Plenty of Lammers/Lees & Regazzoni pics too.
I'd be happy to post some, albeit i dont own the copyright to all of them.

PDC.

driftwood · 10 Apr 2007, 11:52 (Ref:1887945)

783 and 793 cars are very similar
The bodywork is slightly different
uprights are the same i bet wishbone geometry is slightly altered
why would u build a "new" car without some benefits

tubs will be the same so the 79 body can be fitted to a 78 car the 803 had cross over parts the uprights do vary as the early cars ued 78/9 uprights then mid season a new casting came long

Dan Rear · 12 Jun 2007, 11:03 (Ref:1934914)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Chris, agreed re the Riley 80 car, it looked like a 783 with pods, but then again so did the '793s'...

When Kim M rebuilt his 772P after his mate David Ward smashed it up in a July Libre meet, it looked more like a 79B than a 782. He told me at the time that the pods he put on it were ex-Unipart/Price F3 ones.

From Kim's post on another thread, he rebuilt his 772P around a 783 tub, that Price had apparently abandoned due to flexing. So it looks like the Unipart team started 1979 with updated 783s, then switched to 793s mid-season. One 783 tub went to Kim, I suppose the other could have been the one Riley used in early 1980.

Chris Townsend · 12 Jun 2007, 11:47 (Ref:1934956)

The original tubs in the Unipart 783 Marches were 78M28 and 78M29
Unipart had one793 [2] whose number suggests delivery before the 1979 season began. However the next one [15] might have been a bit later. I know that De Crasheris had 17 as a spare car and it didn't show up until April or May

Chris

allenbrown · 12 Jun 2007, 11:52 (Ref:1934960)

It's possible of course that if tubs were flexing, Price bought replacement tubs so the 783s could still be running around somewhere.

driftwood · 12 Jun 2007, 12:38 (Ref:1935007)

Flexing tubs would really only affect the top ££ teams and good drivers
when the car as getting tired it would be end of year and sold to the B class guys who woul dnot have the budget to extend to new tubs unless car was shunted so i would not expect to find barn full of used tubs!
i could see 1 or 2 teams replacing a tub as perfomance dropped off mid season onwards
even the modern carbon tubs start to go soft and the top teams will renew them of course today cars have 3 year design cycle not the 1 year back then

dingle55 · 20 Jun 2007, 21:31 (Ref:1942917)

I would be interested to see any pics of the Unipart Marches as I have only a few available, Thanks

dingle55 · 22 Jun 2007, 10:17 (Ref:1944083)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuderia SSS

Not sure if any of you guys are interested, but i have a multitude of studio shots and track shots of Brett Rileys March. Also have numerous pictures of Tiff's March, Tony Dron, Trevor van Rooyen, Nigel mansell, Ian Taylor, and even Tom Lauda (Niki's nephew). Plenty of Lammers/Lees & Regazzoni pics too.
I'd be happy to post some, albeit i dont own the copyright to all of them.

PDC.

Hi, I own Brett Riley's 793/15 and would be very interested in any pics you have of that car or the Mansell one.
Many thanks David O'Dwyer

driftwood · 29 Jun 2007, 19:29 (Ref:1949969)

anyone have info on 783#12

Chris Townsend · 30 Jun 2007, 11:51 (Ref:1950439)

783-12 was one of the 1978 Unipart cars...

chris

driftwood · 30 Jun 2007, 12:17 (Ref:1950452)

could this be the ex Price tub that was fitted to Mathers car?
I have spoken with Chris D re the 782 bdg car he had the plate was fitted to his tub on the 782 hillclimb car however I have not posted that info as im waiting to talk with another name he threw up in discussion relating to that tub!

Dan Rear · 2 Jul 2007, 12:33 (Ref:1952260)

DW, is Chris D Chris Drewett? Who's the other name mentioned, can you tell us? And did you speak to Martin Mansell re his 782?

driftwood · 2 Jul 2007, 13:23 (Ref:1952300)

yes mr drewitt
allegedly he got car from a David kier who took the car off Bill wood?
however the Hart famly was mentioned a sthe party who ha dteh 783 tub made bdg car that story im checking out
the father John said he cant recall sai dhis brother Tom may have
left it with the son to clarify
somewhere along the line there are either 2 783 tubbed cars or the mather 772 thingy has rolled around afew guys not putting money on either story yet

not seen martin for long time will poss see him 2 weeks at lydden ( if i go)

half this info is for 782 772P thread not posted as i didnt have enough info

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