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21 Dec 2014, 04:31 (Ref:3486817) | #1 | |
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Turn 1 Hairpins
I just want to hear everyone's opinion on hairpins as turn 1. I was playing NFS: Shift 2 Unleashed at Miami Bayfront Park Loop, which has an awful T1 hairpin, and I wanted to see if anyone here could find a way to make a T1 hairpin without it being a lap 1 wreckfest.
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The latest incarnation of the Hungaroring, is the least crash fest.
It's a relatively large radius corner, but as its only about 150 degrees with the kink that the completes the 180. Nurburgring is similar in that it's not a full 180, but it's on a much shorter radius which means only one apex point, but different lines to it, that results in contact . Spa is even tighter virtually a zero radius, the apex is ignored with the contact happening on squaring up and I finding your own space on the exit. |
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Youtube the Miami Bayfront Park Loop in Shift 2 and you'll see the horror show, unbanked, at a street circuit, 30-40 mph usually (haven't driven a GT car there) after the longest straight on the course. Bravo Slightly Mad. |
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I'm not a particular fan of street circuits, and any that contains a zero radius 180 degree hairpin around the central reservation of a road even if it's 4 or 5 lanes in each direction is asking for trouble.
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I think we've discussed that before, IMHO making t1 any kind of hard braking or overtaking spot is asking for trouble. The circuit will be prone to accidents by "design". I like better to have a couple of flowing turns before the first overtaking spot, that kind of spreads out the field at those very first and most dangerous moments of a race.
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Not as bad, as it is Formula E, but still, point taken.
Since this one was referenced, I thought I'd move it up the queue. |
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Sepang turn 1 is good, but it's followed by a switchback.
Shanghai turn 1 is an even more extreme example, with 270 degrees. Suzuka turn 1 probably doesn't count as a hairpin, but it's a good too. Motegi has a good turn 1 as well. |
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Yeah, Suzuka starts off with a couple of sweepers.
Motegi starts off with what amounts to a fairly open double-right, which is a bit less than two 90-degree turns back-to-back. Looking at the post before mine, I guess AoB got demoralized when he saw the layouts for the Hong Kong and Brooklyn Formula E circuits. |
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28 Aug 2017, 04:52 (Ref:3762216) | #11 | |
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Don't f*cking remind me! (Can I get away with that for effect, SBF?)
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Was at Knockhill the other weekend where the whole meeting was run on the British licensed reverse direction of the International Grade 3 circuit. Knockhill is the only circuit in the UK with a license to run events in both directions.
Going the wrong way it's a down hill entry into the T1 hairpin, where the apex literally drops away from under you.. |
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yeah, about that.
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ok, so you don't like T1 hairpins. but how do you feel about T1 sweepers and T2 hairpins?
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