Strange Toyota Rumour!!!!!!!!!

Martin de Miguel · 2 Feb 2002, 19:15 (Ref:209080)

Look guys I don´t know how creditable this rumour is, however somebody from the PDLR forum says, that he was the other day at a Panasonic Presentation held in Montmelo, and he swears that Ove Andersson said that they will be announcing a new big signing within the next 2 or 3 weeks. Speculatins in that forum have developed like a snowball and after analyzing the situation it really makes sense. Frentzen doesn´t have a drive yet, Jacque is not happy, Flavio wants to get rid of Button. So maybe the silly season is still having a big surprise for us.

PS: I d like to point out that I am acting as a messenger, so please don´t start discrediting cause you don´t want it to happen or you desagree, thanks.

Speedworx · 2 Feb 2002, 19:17 (Ref:209085)

What is it ur trying to say?

LucaBadoer · 2 Feb 2002, 20:39 (Ref:209175)

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Originally posted by Martin de Miguel
Frentzen doesn't have a drive yet.

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Originally posted by Martin de Miguel
Jacque is not happy

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Originally posted by Martin de Miguel
Flavio wants to get rid of Button

Frentzen to Toyota;
Jacques to Renault;
Button to BAR;
McNish without a race drive...

Is that what's being suggested, then?

Tristan · 2 Feb 2002, 20:39 (Ref:209176)

Frentzen to BAR, Jacques to Renault, Button to Jag, PDLR to Toyota, McNish to hell.

Yes??

EERO · 2 Feb 2002, 20:52 (Ref:209188)

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Originally posted by LucaBadoer

Frentzen to Toyota;
Jacques to Renault;
Button to BAR;
McNish without a race drive...

Is that what's being suggested, then?

Makes sense to me, if anything comes from the rumour.....

Total-F1 · 2 Feb 2002, 21:55 (Ref:209224)

Poor McNish...but hey, that's life. The guy's pretty much over the hill.

And those new seats do look rather spiffing...would like to see it happen.

Raven · 2 Feb 2002, 22:25 (Ref:209261)

Ya like all this is gonna happen in the next few weeks. Maybe, just maybe, Jos will sign up as test driver for Toyota when HHF takes his seat.

McNish - jesus, give the guy a chance!! this break is well overdue.

av8rirl · 3 Feb 2002, 01:10 (Ref:209283)

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Originally posted by LucaBadoer

Frentzen to Toyota;
Jacques to Renault;
Button to BAR;
McNish without a race drive...

Frentzen to Toyota;
Alonso gets Renault race seat;
Button out the window;
McNish gone too...

Personally, I think they should all stay as they are. Let HHF go home to Germany and retire. He's past it anyway. Jos will race better than HHF if he's left at Arrows.

RWC · 3 Feb 2002, 01:50 (Ref:209299)

Um,could Ove mean someone else-like an engineer...??

senna12 · 3 Feb 2002, 04:26 (Ref:209354)

Could you imagine it being Rory Byrne or Adrian Newey? What a coup that would be!

Red · 3 Feb 2002, 05:04 (Ref:209358)

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Originally posted by senna12
Could you imagine it being Rory Byrne or Adrian Newey? What a coup that would be!

Oh yes, it would. A coup. But no, I cannot imagine something like that!

(Hmmm, but either of them would be a BIG signing nonetheless.)

badoer fan · 3 Feb 2002, 09:33 (Ref:209437)

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Originally posted by RWC
Um,could Ove mean someone else-like an engineer...??

Or a sponsor? That car isn't exactly plastered with 'em

Valve Bounce · 3 Feb 2002, 09:59 (Ref:209446)

You know, these rumours are getting more and more rabid - thank God the season starts in three and a half weeks.

**Stephen Green** · 3 Feb 2002, 10:02 (Ref:209449)

I would think it would more likely be a new sponsor. At the F1 launches this week and last, Briatore is very firmly behind Jenson and so I don't think the rumours of him being dumped are even close to the mark.

Valve Bounce · 3 Feb 2002, 10:07 (Ref:209454)

Maybe they are going to pich that fabulous chassis designer from Toyota - you know, that guy called Brunner

Tristan · 3 Feb 2002, 14:32 (Ref:209585)

OK OK OK, I know this is going to sound REALLY big headed, but just because LucaBadoer beat me to the post by THIRTY SECONDS doesn't make his theory any more plausible. I would argue mine was far more likely (likely?? What am I saying?! Oh you know what I meant... um... PLAUSIBLE, that's right!!)

I Ate Yoko Ono · 3 Feb 2002, 14:34 (Ref:209587)

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Originally posted by Total-F1
Poor McNish...but hey, that's life. The guy's pretty much over the hill.

And those new seats do look rather spiffing...would like to see it happen.

Do you actually know anything about Allan McNish or F1 in general? And no. I'm not biased because I am British - my fave drivers are JPM and JV.

McNish is arguably driving at his best ever - still only 31 and outpacing M.Salo in a number of tests this year - not bad for an over the hill rookie! To say he is over the hill is a ludicrous comment to make by any standards, espcially when considering the sport still finds a home or the likes of slow journeymen like Frentzen, Irvine, Bernoldi, Yoong etc.

MichaelC · 3 Feb 2002, 17:51 (Ref:209731)

Frentzen to Arrows
Verstappen to BAR
Villeneuve to Jag
PDLR to Toyota
Alonso in at Renault
Button and McNish buy up what's left of Prost and run themselves in that...

Speedworx · 3 Feb 2002, 18:22 (Ref:209743)

JV isn't going anywhere in 2002!!!!!
Jos is out

McNish will stay at Toyota

Button back to Williams

JM to Ferrari
Rubens out

Another rumour: Alonso to race for Arrows in 2002.

Mr V · 3 Feb 2002, 23:01 (Ref:209879)

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Originally posted by hakkiman
JV isn't going anywhere in 2002!!!!!
Jos is out
McNish will stay at Toyota
Button back to Williams
JM to Ferrari
Rubens out

Another rumour: Alonso to race for Arrows in 2002.

alonso would be alot better in the arrows seat than jos! give him more experience without too much pressure!

Champ69 · 4 Feb 2002, 01:23 (Ref:209935)

Interesting. Could cause some real problems if there are any swaps.

All the secrets would be out.

How are the new tyres, engine chasis, electronic gizmos?

I can not see any last minute changes

Total-F1 · 4 Feb 2002, 13:25 (Ref:210115)

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Originally posted by I Ate Yoko Ono

Do you actually know anything about Allan McNish or F1 in general?

That's a very stupid question.

Quote:

McNish is arguably driving at his best ever - still only 31 and outpacing M.Salo in a number of tests this year - not bad for an over the hill rookie! To say he is over the hill is a ludicrous comment to make by any standards, espcially when considering the sport still finds a home or the likes of slow journeymen like Frentzen, Irvine, Bernoldi, Yoong etc.

Obviously his best ever isn't quite good enough. He is over the hill. The sport is leaning towards very young chargers with lots of talent or money.

Frentzen? Irvine? Salo? All over the hill. But they're proven and still have pace. Salo could be a great surprise this year.

McNish is too far gone in a long drawn-out career to be scrabbling around with guys 10 years younger than him for a few points. 31 - should be fighting for a title at his age.

You know the reason of course, that F1 finds a home for men like Bernoldi or Yoong - they have money. What does McNish have going for him, except that he's desperate enough for an F1 driver that he'll spend a year pounding around Paul Ricard in a midfield dull-as-dishwater racing car?

**Bononi** · 4 Feb 2002, 16:18 (Ref:210187)

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Originally posted by Stephen Green
... Briatore is very firmly behind Jenson ...

That's a very good position to kick *** !!!

Super Tourer · 4 Feb 2002, 16:38 (Ref:210198)

I can't see the rumours being about the driver line up. McNish goes back a lot further with Toyota than Salo who doesn't have that much of an impressive CV (overated in my opinion)

Toyota have had a hundred chances to sign HHF and haven't done, if he wasn't good enough for Jordan why should he be good enough for Toyota?

JV is on an yearly escalating salary with BAR agreed by Pollock when he joined, and is very unlikely to get the same terms elsewhere - even at Renault. JV know's he can't leave BAR without facing a massive pay cut.

You know how they like to 'bull up' everything in F1 and announce almost every item seperately (livery launch, car launch,etc). Its probably that Toyota have signed a truckie from Arrows......

Coach44 · 4 Feb 2002, 17:03 (Ref:210212)

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Originally posted by Stephen Green
I would think it would more likely be a new sponsor. At the F1 launches this week and last, Briatore is very firmly behind Jenson and so I don't think the rumours of him being dumped are even close to the mark.

Briatore doesn't have a choice but try to boost up JB. What he is going to say: "JB is a bad driver with not enough experience BUT we're going to keep him anyway"!!!NO he is stuck with him until next year so he butters him up to try to get the best out of him for one more year. Even though I would like to see JV at Renault it's not possible this year (JV losing too much $$$$). I think that the silly season is over and everyone will stay put. HHF will take a year "sabatical"

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