ETCC Faster than BTCC!!!

TheLeader · 6 Aug 2002, 18:07 (Ref:351504)

Prodrive were testing at Snetterton today with Rickard Rydell. Roughly the same track conditions as the BTCC meeting the other weekend.
Times set by the ETCC Volvo S60 were 8 tenths faster than Mat Neals pole time of 1:12.482. How can this be possible??

With an h-pattern gearbox, less power on the same tyres as the BTCC cars, why are they faster?

Anybody have an answer?

Jimeth · 6 Aug 2002, 18:11 (Ref:351510)

could be aerodynamics maybe, doesn't the ETCC have more aids than the BTCC, seeing as the BTCC's rear wing is just cosmetic?

kmchow · 6 Aug 2002, 19:21 (Ref:351576)

Doesn't the ETCC have an extra 20-30 hp as well over their BTCC counterparts.

It's just a dream, but it would be cool if Volvo would bring over one or two of their S60 Challenge cars to race in the Speed World Challenge.

Speedworx · 6 Aug 2002, 19:45 (Ref:351605)

ETCC is still slightly better, IMO.

Jimeth · 6 Aug 2002, 19:47 (Ref:351610)

ah i prefer the BTCC IMO

Paul Rayner · 6 Aug 2002, 20:19 (Ref:351641)

BTCC is better IMO. This is because I can actually watch it on TV, and go to most of the races, unlike the other two championships. On pure spectacle though, it's got to be DTM. But we'll never be able to afford those machines or that sort of hospitality in Britain.

Speedworx · 6 Aug 2002, 20:36 (Ref:351658)

Paul: Don't you have sky?

Mocko · 6 Aug 2002, 22:00 (Ref:351752)

Crikey, the BTCC is much better and anyway I thought that the ETCC cars pulled off 260 BHP.

It really annoys me how the organisers don't take a rolling road to the media day so we can know for sure what the power outputs were and therefore were left with folk saying "oh yes, the ETCC engines produce anything from 250 BHP to 350 BHP". Stupid.

Vatanen · 6 Aug 2002, 22:36 (Ref:351791)

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Originally posted by hakkiman
Paul: Don't you have sky?

It's not the same as actually being there is it?

He meant that the DTM and ETCC is not something you can spectate at regularly like the BTCC.

Dani Filth · 7 Aug 2002, 07:53 (Ref:352030)

what about the ones "unforunated" not to live in Uk ... like me ... it's easier to attend to a ETCC or DTM race rather than BTCC ... .. and i think ETCC is better than BTCC ...

Alfa Fan · 7 Aug 2002, 10:24 (Ref:352105)

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Originally posted by Dani Filth
what about the ones "unforunated" not to live in Uk ... like me ... it's easier to attend to a ETCC or DTM race rather than BTCC ... .. and i think ETCC is better than BTCC ...

Why?!

Paul Rayner · 7 Aug 2002, 10:36 (Ref:352112)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dani Filth
what about the ones "unforunated" not to live in Uk ... like me ... it's easier to attend to a ETCC or DTM race rather than BTCC ... .. and i think ETCC is better than BTCC ...

Then there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and you possibly prefer ETCC for the same reasons I prefer BTCC - it's more accessible. I'm sure that if I lived in Germany I'd probably think the DTM was best. They've all got lessons to learn from each other though.

As for why I like the BTCC? Because I like going to races, I like watching races on TV, no I don't have Sky, and I like talking to people about races. From that, there is no competition to the BTCC for me.

rustyfan · 7 Aug 2002, 10:36 (Ref:352113)

The ETCC comes to Donington on the 6th of October - should be worth the trip for those of you in the UK (especially if the brilliant races at Spa are anything to go by)

Jimeth · 7 Aug 2002, 10:52 (Ref:352125)

the drivers will like it! Donington in October....Mmm! Brisk!

**touringlegend** · 7 Aug 2002, 11:12 (Ref:352141)

Well aren't teams allowed to modify brakes, suspension, and aren't aerodyamics effective on ETCC cars?? Maybe our resident ETCC experts can confirm just what is different?

racer69 · 7 Aug 2002, 11:53 (Ref:352178)

One of the two (ETC or BTCC) cars were going to be quicker than the other, they are two different sets of rules, and at the end of the day 8 tenths of a second is not that much.

Just be glad you can watch the ETC or BTCC, all we get is the bloody V8Supercars.

rustyfan · 7 Aug 2002, 12:12 (Ref:352196)

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Originally posted by racer69
all we get is the bloody V8Supercars.

I'd be pretty darn happy if I could get the "bloody V8Supercars" here in Sweden... or the BTCC and DTM as well for that matter.

On the other hand we get 10-minute recaps from each STCC-race (yippie.. ugh), so I guess that makes up for it

The only good thing about being interested in touring-car racing while living in Sweden is that the ETCC races are shown live and commercial free

JMeissner · 7 Aug 2002, 13:58 (Ref:352300)

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Originally posted by touringlegend
Well aren't teams allowed to modify brakes, suspension, and aren't aerodyamics effective on ETCC cars?? Maybe our resident ETCC experts can confirm just what is different?

You can't really compare a BTC car with a ETCC car... The BTC cars has alot of common parts while cars from the ETCC rules are more free to develop parts...

redshoes · 7 Aug 2002, 15:37 (Ref:352351)

Today's Motorsports News has a track test of an ETCC BMW by Ian Flux. Haven't had chance to read it properly but it does mention the differences to the BTCC MG which he tested earlier this year.

**Craig** · 7 Aug 2002, 16:16 (Ref:352375)

Didn't read it yet either but I saw one comment that 'the RWD BMW is much more fun than the MG' like duh! IT'S REAR WHEEL DRIVE!! Course it's gonna be more fun!!

runnyhunny · 7 Aug 2002, 16:22 (Ref:352383)

The ETCC cars don't have 'standard parts'. Therefore, each manufacturer will develop each part (clutch, gearbox, brakes etc.) to the absolute limit of performance (a la Super Touring). Ultimately, this means the ETCC cars will lap slightly more quickly than BTCC cars.

However, who cares?

A modern-day Super Tourer (now extinct!) can lap a heck of a lot quicker than a 1992-vintage 'BTCC 2-litre formula' car... but what would you rather see in a race? (dare I say, you could replace 1992 etc. with a Cossie!)

Dani Filth · 8 Aug 2002, 08:17 (Ref:352841)

The STC of last year were .. on some circuits as fats as the GT3 cars in the FiaGT ... and ETCC does have standard parts like the gearbox ..

Eddie_harasym · 8 Aug 2002, 08:45 (Ref:352860)

I'm lucky, I get to see DTM, BTC and ETC all at my local circuit. DTM was fantastic, the BTC is always good and I am waiting to see what the ETC will be like.

rustyfan · 8 Aug 2002, 08:54 (Ref:352864)

The Super Touring class is not quite extinct - yet - as the STCC are still using the 2.0 litre Super Touring formula with Volvo S40's, Audi A4's, Vauxhall Vectra's and a Honda Accord duking it out in the races.

2002 is the last year of the Super Touring class in the STCC, however, as rules similar to the ones used in the ETCC will be adopted for 2003 (at least from what I have heard anyway - perhaps someone else have some more info).

MaxSport · 8 Aug 2002, 11:18 (Ref:352942)

A sequential box would be worth at least a half a second. ETCC cars will likely have them next season.

It would be interesting to see an end of the year World Cup with both ETCC and BTCC cars.

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