ELMS ELMS 2017

Ephaeton · 4 Oct 2016, 12:17 (Ref:3677202)

Thought it's time to give the ELMS 2017 related news etc. its own home.

Calendar:

Imola gone for the 2017 calendar, replaced by Monza.

Remains 6 round, Silverstone, Monza, Zeltweg, Paul Ricard, Spa, Portimao (replacing Estoril) (SC365 link)

March 28-29 — Prologue (Monza)
April 14-15 — Silverstone
May 12-14 — Monza
July 21-23 — Red Bull Ring
Aug. 25-27 — Paul Ricard
Sept. 22-24 — Spa-Francorchamps
October 20-22 — Portimao

The Renault Sport Trophy, Formula Renault and GT3 Le Mans Cup support package is also retained unchanged for 2017.

DSC late August 2017 entry speculations

Current (2016-) P2s will receive grandfathering to race next to the 2017 P2 with their own trophy.

Quote:

ELMS series boss Gerard Neveu said he expects there to be around 40 cars for the full season next year, among the two P2 classes, as well as LMP3 and GTE.

Ephaeton · 4 Oct 2016, 12:17 (Ref:3677203)

So we'll see a(t least one) Dallara LMP2 in ELMS as well.

Villorba Corse stepping up from P3 to P2 in 2017

Deleted · 4 Oct 2016, 16:13 (Ref:3677261)

I would say the upside of owning non-Oreca, non-Onroak, is that you are more likely to receive the LM invite. Though perhaps not yet immediately next year as the grandfathering phase is still on and the field won't look quite as generic yet with the old warhorses there

TheMightyM · 5 Oct 2016, 04:37 (Ref:3677400)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I would say the upside of owning non-Oreca, non-Onroak, is that you are more likely to receive the LM invite. Though perhaps not yet immediately next year as the grandfathering phase is still on and the field won't look quite as generic yet with the old warhorses there

I think that it’s real questionable as to how many of those old warhorses we will see at LM. The old cars are down a lot of horsepower, and can win only on reliability, not pace. The better ELMS teams — the ones that are likely to get LM invites — are very likely to switch to 2017-spec cars…

Not sure who will run a 2016-spec car in ELMS next year, but they’re kind of by definition a second-tier operation as they effectively aren’t racing for the overall win except under the very unusual circumstances.

TzeiTzei · 5 Oct 2016, 05:06 (Ref:3677402)

I don't think they're going to invite any old cars.

Coach Ep · 5 Oct 2016, 13:11 (Ref:3677486)

Agreed. I expect a flurry of (prototype) announcements in the coming months and over the winter.

The full season entry is limited btw to 40 cars for 'customer service*' reasons...

(*ACO style)

Ephaeton · 3 Nov 2016, 14:46 (Ref:3685034)

seems like United is considering not only tackling the Le Mans 24, but also the ELMS with a new Ligier (retaining their P3 programme!)

S griffin · 3 Nov 2016, 15:07 (Ref:3685044)

It would be good to see more races on the calender some time

Akrapovic · 3 Nov 2016, 15:15 (Ref:3685051)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

It would be good to see more races on the calender some time

It's a struggle to do that as the majority of the grid is funded by Ams who have a career elsewhere. The Pros that do run in ELMS also tend to run in WEC and Blancpain, so calender clashes are a problem.

In an ideal world I'd love more ELMS races (it might be my favourite series now days, it's hard to decide!), but I'd be worried about the impact on the teams.

Mike E · 7 Nov 2016, 19:23 (Ref:3686292)

Nic Minassian is working on an ELMS and LM team for next year.

sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/minassian-planning-new-lmp2-team

Coach Ep · 7 Nov 2016, 21:26 (Ref:3686314)

Sounds like an Oreca or a Ligier. Could the undisclosed gentleman driver be one of his current SMP teammates (as SMP's role as constructor is coming to an end)?

Mike E · 11 Nov 2016, 19:33 (Ref:3687244)

Graff Racing LMP2 plans and livery revealed.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/1...mp2-plans.html

Damian Baldi · 16 Nov 2016, 14:55 (Ref:3688538)

Lammers and Barrichelo on a Dallara P2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_usoy3WwKVc

BSchneiderFan · 16 Nov 2016, 16:34 (Ref:3688557)

Great to see Rubens lining up for Le Mans and maybe some ELMS races. Will Lammers still be competitive at 60/61 in a prototype?

**joeb** · 16 Nov 2016, 16:58 (Ref:3688565)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Great to see Rubens lining up for Le Mans and maybe some ELMS races. Will Lammers still be competitive at 60/61 in a prototype?

I think he'll do ok, and with that age shouldn't get as many complaints about not being a true silver.

GT6 · 16 Nov 2016, 17:39 (Ref:3688584)

Well lammers being back at le mans will be good and i know plenty of dutch fans that will be very happy to see him

Coach Ep · 17 Nov 2016, 14:12 (Ref:3688844)

Almost 30 years after his overall victory! How long has it been since he last competed in the 24H, 10 years or so? (Jan ran in the Road to LM support race last year in a P3 but not with Van Eerd).

Davytec's Davy Lemmens used to be the Racing For Holland's crew chief, he and Lammers know each other pretty well.

I'm wondering how Barrichello got involved (as the initial idea was to have Jos Verstappen in the car with Lammers and Van Eerd (but Verstappen gave priority to overseeing his son's F1 career) and participate in this year's race).

Victor_RO · 17 Nov 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3688877)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Almost 30 years after his overall victory! How long has it been since he last competed in the 24H, 10 years or so? (Jan ran in the Road to LM support race last year in a P3 but not with Van Eerd).

5 years, last time I remember seeing Jan on the LM entry list was 2011 in the Hope Racing hybrid Oreca.

Coach Ep · 18 Nov 2016, 00:54 (Ref:3688969)

That's right but very limited running that time.

Mike E · 23 Dec 2016, 14:19 (Ref:3698121)

A non-Ligier joins the LMP3 field. Hard to mistake this for anything else...

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/...ith-norma-m30/

gert · 23 Dec 2016, 22:33 (Ref:3698192)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

A non-Ligier joins the LMP3 field. Hard to mistake this for anything else...

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/...ith-norma-m30/

I hope that car will be competitive. It's always nice to have some competition, and it would be nice to see those guys on the podium. Back in the Renault Megane days, they often showed up with a Pirates flag on the rostrum. That was funny.

MaskedRacer · 25 Dec 2016, 00:17 (Ref:3698370)

Is there any point to have a GTE am category in this series anymore?

Akrapovic · 25 Dec 2016, 11:49 (Ref:3698411)

Why wouldn't there be a point to the GTE Am class in ELMS? There's more than enough entries, and they're pretty established names, and some long time series supporters. JMW, Proton, Aston Martin, AF Corse. Dropping GTE-Am won't move these teams to WEC, it'll just move them to Blancpain or national series.

ELMS is meant to house more Am teams than Pro teams, hence why there is no LMP1 or GTE-Pro. So if you remove GTE-Am then you end up with a multi-class series with no GT class, that's meant to provide entries for Le Mans, which doesn't make any sense.

From the drivers side it works too. It's a step between national series and world series. Without GTE-Am, it'd force drivers to move to Blancpain before they can get a shot at WEC. Blancpain doesn't have prototypes, so there's not as much learning that can be taken from it. Without GTE-Am, it means that a GTE drivers first experience of being on track with an LMP will be in FIA WEC, with the LMP2 hybrids. Giving experience with LMP2s first is a far better idea, especially for Am drivers.

Of course this only applies to drivers in Europe. But it probably isn't a great idea to tell every driver in the European sportscar market to go through IMSA and move to the states to get a stepping stone from National to GTE-Pro.

TheMightyM · 27 Dec 2016, 15:00 (Ref:3698651)

Formula Racing won’t be back in ELMS in 2017. They raced in GTE-Am in the series the last few years. Short DSC article here.

Hawkwood · 1 Feb 2017, 20:33 (Ref:3708479)

As expected, Jota won't be back this year as Dolan takes a step back:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...-title-defence

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