Size matters, or does it?

[vauxhall]

Should the BTCC have bigger 4 door cars or stay with 2 door?

4 door would include : Omega / Mondeo / Laguna / Passat

2 door would include : Astra Coupe / Pegueot 406 Coupe

[kmchow]

Yeah, definitely stay with four doors!! The BTCC and Supertouring rose to it's peak b/c of four doors!! Sadly, things started to go down hill when costs started rising and manufacturers started pulling out.

[runnyhunny]

vauxhall,

You describe two 'sets' of cars, and I don't know why. The teams are not forced into any of these sets - they can run whatever car they like.

I don't know why *some* people harp on about 4.2m minimum lengths. The Sierra Cosworths, and BMW M3s were not 4-door taxis...

[touringlegend]

Size doesn't matter - small things look good as well.(Cars that is)

[vauxhall]

Originally posted by runnyhunny
vauxhall,

You describe two 'sets' of cars, and I don't know why. The teams are not forced into any of these sets - they can run whatever car they like.

I don't know why *some* people harp on about 4.2m minimum lengths. The Sierra Cosworths, and BMW M3s were not 4-door taxis...

ok imagine a conversation between 2 people, 1 has not heard about any touring cars, he likes say F1 (he can be frank), the other is a keen touring car fan (he can be steve):

_____________
Austrlian BIG

steve says to frank
''you heard about the big V8 monsters down under?''

Frank rely's
''no but they sound good, what cars are in it?''

steve
''Holden commodores and ford falcons''

frank
''ahh big cars then''

____________
BTCC Little

steve says to frank
''you heard about the new touring car in the BTCC''

Frank
''no? what type of cars''

steve
''Vauxhall Astra coupe, Peugeot 406 coupe''

Frank
''small cars then?''

steve
''welll err yeh!''

Frank
''i'll stick with the bigger cars matey

this short story was brought to you by Vauxhall

now do you get my drift?

[runnyhunny]

vauxhall,

No... I don't get your point! Are any of the below-F1 single seater series considered pants because they are 'small' cars?!

When the Aussies say 'big' cars, I suspect they are referring to the fact that they have a V8 engine connected to the rear wheels, and produce stacks of power!

Look at the DTM - that is supposed to be the touring car elite, isn't it? Guess what? They run coupes!!!

And as I've said before, if Vauxhall really want to enter a Vectra/Omega, then they can. Nothing is stopping them. Look at the current ABG/Lexus and WSR/MG cars... they are 4-door saloons.

Just wait until there are more 'Touring' class cars and see how exciting it gets. You won't give a rat's ass how big/small the cars are! This 4.2m minimum length thing is just a storm in a teacup!

[touringlegend]

true runnyhunny
If a manufacturer wants or wanted to run a bigger car they would. There was no reason that Vauxhall had to use the Astra Coupe - it must have made commercial and marketing sense to Vauxhall. Manufacturers don't just say that they'll run a big or small car - they evaluate the car for the aerodynamics, stability and drivability because afterall they are spending money on this championship.

[vauxhall]

Originally posted by runnyhunny

Look at the DTM - that is supposed to be the touring car elite, isn't it? Guess what? They run coupes!!!

modified in size, like the ''Strethced Audi''

the Astra's are slighty bigger!

[hunttheshunt]

Size doesn't matter at all. It's the quality of racing that does! A lot of you are missing the point. If the racing kis good (like it is in the BTCC and DTM) who cares what size the cars are. The ETCC uses bigger cars and that has been a bit of a bore this season, yes?

[runnyhunny]

hunttheshunt,

The ETCC is dull because the cars are clapped-out old Super Tourers. Between the works Alfa and Honda teams, it can be interesting, but that's about it. I don't think car size comes into it.

And as for the DTM... are you suggesting it has high quality racing? I'm not sure about that. It seems like F1 to me - pretty dull and processional.

[touringlegend]

Originally posted by runnyhunny
The ETCC is dull because the cars are clapped-out old Super Tourers. Between the works Alfa and Honda teams, it can be interesting, but that's about it. I don't think car size comes into it.

Somebody thinks the same as me.

[kmchow]

runnyhunny wrote:

>Look at the DTM - that is supposed to be the touring car elite, >isn't it? Guess what? They run coupes!!!
>
I wouldn't want to suggest that coupes can't be considered "touring cars", but this stubborn old fool has someone fell in love with the idea that there is a championship in the world that is strictly for 4 door sedans only!!! There are many hundreds(??) of touring car championships ranging from our humble Motorola Cup here in the US,to the famous DTM series in Germany!!

[hunttheshunt]

Well said, kmchow!

[vauxhall]

Verdict

well a total of 10 vots (wooo)
looks like im not alone in my feelings about the size of the cars

[hunttheshunt]

While i don't agree with cars getting smaller (i persoanlly think the Alfa 147 is too small for BTCT) i dont think there is a problem w/the Astra and Pug Copes running. I don't think its a matter of number of doors on a car, but i do agree there is a limit for when a car looks like a racing car and so can feel like one and race like one.