The Top Ten Tin Top Roll.

Mattracer · 28 Dec 2003, 10:24 (Ref:821745)

MN this week reveals that Ambrose and Murphy are ranked 6th and 8th respectively in the Top Ten Tin Top drivers in "Autosport". Well done, and they drive in the best series in the world too

ford boy · 28 Dec 2003, 10:28 (Ref:821746)

What happened to Skaifey ?

rdmdog · 28 Dec 2003, 10:45 (Ref:821752)

My guess is whoever wrote up this chart used some sort of championship points available to points scored calculation to work out the ratings.

I recon Ambrose is well deserved to be right up there though.

Remind me what Big Nose's reaction was when Ambrose was fastest in Qyualifying at his first Race.......

Mattracer · 28 Dec 2003, 10:50 (Ref:821756)

I can't remind 'cos I wasn't there but I think you know without my help.

Interesting that the article states that Skaife was in the ten in '02 but not this year. :confused:

rdmdog · 28 Dec 2003, 11:40 (Ref:821771)

Something along the lines of (with expletives deleted) ".......you prove to me that he didnt cut any corners...." (Melbourne GP 2001)

Apparently no-one is allowed to go faster than the nosed one at first attempt!

Interestingly enough, he did it again at his first attempt at Bathurst

pete55 · 28 Dec 2003, 12:01 (Ref:821781)

INHO Ambrose is a better driver at the same stage of his career than Skaife was. And he will only get better.

moffman · 29 Dec 2003, 04:45 (Ref:822277)

Much better Pete much better..

Forbesy · 29 Dec 2003, 11:27 (Ref:822496)

Quote:

Originally posted by pete55
INHO Ambrose is a better driver at the same stage of his career than Skaife was. And he will only get better.

Just a query, at what stage do you consider to be the same as what Ambrose was at? Given he did 2-3 years racing in the toughest motorsport environment in the world, I'd say Marcos was very well prepared as a racer before he began in 2001.

rdmdog · 29 Dec 2003, 23:54 (Ref:823033)

Big nose has spent his entire career in the hands of the biggest and best teams in Australia, with Cigarette or factory money, sometimes both, and has also raced in europe and in FHolden/Brabham. Plenty of experience and plenty of time behind the wheel of these type of cars.

He certainly didnt make his way to the front as suddenly as Mr Ambrose, and no doubt Marcus still has a bit of experience to catch up on.

No doubt at the moment, Ambrose is pretty bloody close to as good as Skaff (sic) has ever been and will still improve from here, I hope!

We will be able to tell when he eclipses MS, cos he would have to turn into an arrogant @rsehole to better him in every way now wouldnt he

rocket · 31 Dec 2003, 07:50 (Ref:824274)

couldnt have put it any better rdmdog, like most of the so called holden superstars skaife has had the best machinery available to him for the majority of his career, after he got a start with GMS in the nissan the only time he has had 'inferior' equipment was when the cigarette sponsorship dissapered, yet even though he still had a better infrastructure & more money than the privateers he couldnt compete unless cheating, like season 94 when at symons plains the team were found out about the front wheel sensors they had fited to the car & from that time on untill he started to race for HRT he didnt have a decent result

rdmdog · 1 Jan 2004, 06:47 (Ref:825046)

Quote:

Originally posted by rocket
.......more money than the privateers he couldnt compete unless cheating, like season 94 when at symons plains the team were found out about the front wheel sensors they had fited to the car & from that time on untill he started to race for HRT he didnt have a decent result

Well I didnt say it

Waiting for a swift bout of retribution here rocket...

F|sh · 1 Jan 2004, 07:52 (Ref:825069)

froma point of veiw were i only got to see one round live ( barbagallo) both murph and ambrose deserve a good ol pat on the bak and someone give skaifey the finger.

also someone who did have a good year i reckon was steve ellery and team dynamik and jason richards.

anyone read in AA they fugged up a page were they went to do the top ten races of the year but the next page was the top ten drivers?

deeks6 · 3 Jan 2004, 04:48 (Ref:826186)

Always amuses me these "who's better than who...?" things and the way people knock the various drivers. In my (humble) view, there are only 5 drivers currently capable of winning the V8SC title - Ambrose, Ingall, Skaife, Lowndes and Murphy - and you have to have a decent car to do it. These guys are simply better drivers than the others now, no question about it. And as for the knocking of Skaife, you can not query his record. Sure, Lowndes towelled him for a couple of seasons in the same car but I'll bet you London to a brick that Skaife is better at setting a car up than Lowndes...thats why he eventually got the better of him. Nowadays, its not good enough to be just a gifted driver, you gotta make sure the car is perfect. I reckon Lowndes is probably the most talented man on the grid but if he doesnt get better technically, he'll never win again. For those of you who have a go at Skaife, take a look at his CV right from the start...he doesnt fail for long. And I'm a Ford fan!

Peter Walsh · 3 Jan 2004, 05:12 (Ref:826197)

How did the Thex go?Was there an Eddie the eagle award?

Mattracer · 4 Jan 2004, 00:01 (Ref:826958)

Quote:

Originally posted by deeks6
Always amuses me these "who's better than who...?" things and the way people knock the various drivers. In my (humble) view, there are only 5 drivers currently capable of winning the V8SC title - Ambrose, Ingall, Skaife, Lowndes and Murphy - and you have to have a decent car to do it. These guys are simply better drivers than the others now, no question about it. And as for the knocking of Skaife, you can not query his record. Sure, Lowndes towelled him for a couple of seasons in the same car but I'll bet you London to a brick that Skaife is better at setting a car up than Lowndes...thats why he eventually got the better of him. Nowadays, its not good enough to be just a gifted driver, you gotta make sure the car is perfect. I reckon Lowndes is probably the most talented man on the grid but if he doesnt get better technically, he'll never win again. For those of you who have a go at Skaife, take a look at his CV right from the start...he doesnt fail for long. And I'm a Ford fan!

Lowndes has the X factor edge, he's just so unruffled at the limit, which for him is just as well as the limit arrives sooner in the cars he's had recently than it does for some of the others.

DaveOrama · 4 Jan 2004, 00:43 (Ref:826990)

No doubt about Skaifeys skills in all things relating to driving and car setup, but it will be interesting to see if he can juggle team management and still keep winning. Luckily he has good people and good team infrastructure, but so did Seton for a while.....

deeks6 · 4 Jan 2004, 00:49 (Ref:826992)

Quote:

Originally posted by DaveOrama
No doubt about Skaifeys skills in all things relating to driving and car setup, but it will be interesting to see if he can juggle team management and still keep winning. Luckily he has good people and good team infrastructure, but so did Seton for a while.....

If Skaife can juggle these tasks, he is a bone fide genius. Lets look at the role call of those it has beaten before - Alan Moffat, Dick Johnson, Glen Seton, Mark Larkham...those guys could all steer a bit before running the show completely. The declines of Seton and Larkham were particularly swift and sad.

Mattracer · 5 Jan 2004, 10:44 (Ref:828108)

They were but the economic climate and commercial pressures they operated under were very different from the family team scenario of the '70s and '80s.

But I take your point, the trend is very much away from the ownder/driver. Skaife has done this before at GMS and was forced to when the Winfield money was removed. HRT is so big that delegation would be very high in the scheme of things. It would have to be.

rdmdog · 5 Jan 2004, 21:05 (Ref:828761)

The Nose always had factory rubber available too, up until V8s went to control tyres.

F|sh · 6 Jan 2004, 03:32 (Ref:829103)

nice rdmdog the nose ahhah. anyway go ambrose in 2004

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