Jordan - New Engine Supplier For 2003

[Peter Scillitoe]

Given that this week the Jordan team have leaped to the defence of Ferrari's tactics at the Austrian GP, are we to assume that they are definitely going to loose Honda engine's next season and hope to sign (or perhaps already have) a contract to purchase engines from Ferrari? Me a cynic...................!

[Mr V]

i reckon they'll go with cosworths next year! a jordan ferrari would be nice though.

[ParkLife]

I thought the same thing. Although I'll wait to see what Eddie actually said when we see the whole interview on ITV tomorrow morning. He may have said it in the context of a whole sentence. Today I got the impression that he said what Ferrari did wasn't wrong, it was the way they did it that was wrong. I think he hit the nail on the head there.

[ParkLife]

Originally posted by mr v
i reckon they'll go with cosworths next year! a jordan ferrari would be nice though.

I don't think EJ would like to go with Ferrari really. He has already made comments lasts year about how he thinks the Sauber situation is not what he wants. He said something like Sauber will never win a GP becuase Ferrari will never let them be in that position. So I think hw would go for Cosworths over the Ferrari (their probably a lot cheaper too).

Don't forget Mugen either. We know Jordan have a contract for next year with honda, but honda may be able to get out of it by supplying Jordan with semi-works engines through Mugen again. It all depends on how explicit the contract is.

Honda have openly admited that they think the system that Ferrari operated (with selling last years engines as customer units) is sound, and would consider selling year old customer engines inder the Mugen brand. This would be bad bad news for Jordan I think, as this years engine is a stinker (maybe not after Canada, who knows?) this year. Presumable it would be terrible next year.

[DNQ]

I still think Cosworths are most likely...
Ferrari tried supplying a second team in 2001, and it wasn't ideal for them. I really dont think EJ wants to become the Ferrari B team that Sauber is now.

[Wrex]

Originally posted by ParkLife
I don't think EJ would like to go with Ferrari really. He has already made comments lasts year about how he thinks the Sauber situation is not what he wants. He said something like Sauber will never win a GP becuase Ferrari will never let them be in that position. So I think hw would go for Cosworths over the Ferrari (their probably a lot cheaper too).

Thats an odd thing to say. Whats more likely to win a race (or even earn a point), a cosworth or a Ferrari?

I'd take the 85 Ferrari motor over this years cosy.

Obviously, if you are serious about being world champions, neither is appropriate. You'll never beat Ferrari with last years motor, and the same situation would arise if the Jag donk was up to it.

But as a short term measure until an exclusive (viable) engine deal comes along, you could'nt go past the Ferrari.

[Amaroo Park]

I hope they don't have long memories at Ford or Cosworth. Remeber they had the baliffs go to Jordans home in 1991. But I suppose they have doen a deal with Walkinshaw a man who's name apparently is mud at Ford

[f1manoz]

Ford v Ferrari

With Ferrari, you'd have politics and it would cost a hell of a lot more

With Ford, cheaper but isn't a World Championship winning engine

EJ has stated he does not want to turn into Sauber with a supply of Ferrari engines

Ford/Cosworth have stated they would be prepared to lease engines to Jordan next year

[Guy Goddard2]

With the Honda deal at Jordan, does it count for anything with Sato being there and would it be different if Sato had done very well in his races this year and Eddie had signed him for 2003?

If I remember the Honda Mugen link of was very good for EJ and although Ferrari engines come with political disadvantages you only have to look at Sauber to see the long term gains.
I would go with the Ferrari engines way over Cosworth/Ford.



Regards


Guy

[Mr V]

Originally posted by ParkLife


I don't think EJ would like to go with Ferrari really. He has already made comments lasts year about how he thinks the Sauber situation is not what he wants. He said something like Sauber will never win a GP becuase Ferrari will never let them be in that position. So I think hw would go for Cosworths over the Ferrari (their probably a lot cheaper too).

although i believe the jordans will have cossie power next year i think it will be because ferrari aren't offering eddie their engines, or because the engines are too expensive.

when he said those things last year it was because he was optermistic about the Honda engines! now it's not looking good with Honda i think he'd go for the Ferrari power plant, after all, Sauber are ahead of Jordan in the constructors standings!

after what happened at the end of 1991 where Jordans supply of ford engines was stopped,if Eddie wasn't serious about his team, he wouldn't even consider going with Cossies now, but he is serious so he'll go with the best option, and if that best option were to be Ferrari i think he'd go for it, however, i don't think the Ferrari route will be available to him!

[neilap]

Though it seems inevitable, I hope that Jordan does not lose Honda motors. Right now they are the better of the two teams. They also have the best of the four drivers. I would not take Ferrari engines for free! There are too many prerequisites to running Ferrari motors. For one you will never be able to race them fairly. Ferrari don’t believe in competition. Ford engines are really not that bad at all. Arrows with a total of 3 tests (I think) are already looking like they can get points. Imagine that motor in a well tested car.

[vectra f1]

I can't see any reason yet as to why Honda would pull out of supplying engines to Jordan, as neilap said

Right now they are the better of the two teams. They also have the best of the four drivers.

And aslo at this point I think we can change the name of F-1 to Ferarri 1 as they can seem to do what ever they like
I mean if EJ took the ferarri engine it would do them no good as they probably would get told by Ross Brawn to move over and let Michael Scummy. pass if they were leading a race.

[ParkLife]

Its Canada next, that's where all three, BAR, Jordan and most importantly Honda are supposed to be having major developments. Honda will probably not make any decision on Jordan until they've seen what performance level they are at with the new engine (not new, but you know what I mean).

[Markules]

The way things are going, it looks like they may not have a choice but to supply Jordan next year. as it looks, the only factor that seems capable of securing points for Honda at the moment is Fisichella (who is looking phenominal at the moment).

Yes, they can talk of the advantages of supplying one team only, but I doubt the Honda F1 programme would be too healthy if they stuck all their eggs in one, BAR coloured basket next season and walked away with two or three points, especially if Toyota can develop well next year.

[ParkLife]

Jordan have always been faster than BAR, even when they didn't have the full works Honda. If Honda are going to go down the one team route, I really can't see any sense in the choosing BAR over Jordan. Although there's no doubt in my mind it will be BAR they'll choose.

[mjolnir]

hmm.... i'm wondering when toyota will start selling customer engines.....??

[f1manoz]

Let's look at this topic again:

Jordan-HONDA: 4 pts (and counting)
BAR-HONDA: 0 pts (and dropping!)

Who would you choose?

[Peter Scillitoe]

Originally posted by f1manoz
Let's look at this topic again:

Jordan-HONDA: 4 pts (and counting)
BAR-HONDA: 0 pts (and dropping!)

Who would you choose?

Notwithstanding the points difference, BAR under David Richards looks and sounds like a team on the up. Sadly, this year, Jordan look and sound like a team with the skids under it.