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8 Jan 2003, 16:54 (Ref:467481) | #1 | ||
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Does it mean that the guy who leads at Ferrari is determined before the race? Does this mean that whenever Schumi leads is not because he beat Barri fair and square but that the Team arranged for it to look like that? I told you so |
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8 Jan 2003, 17:07 (Ref:467492) | #2 | ||
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Why don't you just give it a rest? It simply means what everyone (you aside) knew already. They are instructed not to race each other. Who gets a better qual possition will keep it untill instructed otherwise. That means Rubens got a pole and Schumacher did not even attempt to pass him.
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8 Jan 2003, 17:10 (Ref:467496) | #3 | |
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Yep, old news...
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8 Jan 2003, 17:11 (Ref:467498) | #4 | |
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Thank you for admiting that. When is Schumi going to beat his teammate fair and square? You and I (so far) agree that is the team that is doing the job for him, don't we?
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8 Jan 2003, 17:13 (Ref:467504) | #5 | ||
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Why must you persist with these threads? It remains very likely that the contractual situation at Ferrari will stay the same until Michael Schumacher retires.
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8 Jan 2003, 17:13 (Ref:467505) | #6 | |
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I can answer that quite simple: Never.
Not when Schumi is with Ferrari, as he stated a long time ago that Ferrari is the team where he would retire. |
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8 Jan 2003, 17:19 (Ref:467509) | #7 | |
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Schumacher has been beating Rubens fair and square on a regular base. You are a minority as far as you are still not convinced of Schumacher´s superiority over Rubens. Quite sad when people fail to accept the obvious and then go on and on about it too....
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8 Jan 2003, 17:21 (Ref:467513) | #9 | ||
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OMG! Another thread on this?! Moderators? Please help!
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8 Jan 2003, 17:29 (Ref:467516) | #10 | |
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Well, he is fairly new to this forum so he might not have known that these 'Schumi doesn't race his teammate' & 'Ferrari teamorders' discussions have been going on for ages here...
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8 Jan 2003, 17:33 (Ref:467522) | #12 | |
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Ferrari decided the outcome of the races when Pironi and Gilles were racing too, y'know.
Although it didn't end up exactly the way Gilles and Ferrari wanted on one occasion... (Monza '82 or Imola '82?) I think that it was like this even in the early days. Last edited by ASCII Man; 8 Jan 2003 at 17:35. |
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8 Jan 2003, 17:37 (Ref:467533) | #13 | ||
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And they both ended up dead as a result, which at least in one case was a direct result. Apparently Ferrari never learns ...
However, I agree, this is tantamount to being shocked that the Iraqis would lie about having weapons of mass destruction. Only a person who lives in a cave could have missed this "story" ... |
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PS: He does not decide who leads the race; that's what the quallifying session does best. PS2: You certainly did not understand what Ross wanted to say: he said that they told Schumacher not to attack Rubens. He said that if they did NOT decide who leads the race, most probably Schumacher would have succesfully attacked Rubens. That is he decided who 'leads' the race, but it was a decision against Michael Schumacher. PS3: Quote:
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8 Jan 2003, 17:40 (Ref:467541) | #15 | ||
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I will say first that I am as guilty as the rest on this point, but if you really want to give this type of thread a rest, don't respond! Vote with your feet and go on to a different topic.
Although the F1rejects site has an interesting article about Ivan Capelli's season at Ferrari in '92. Interesting comments about the team politics that came into play during that eminently forgetable season (for Ferrari). |
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8 Jan 2003, 17:44 (Ref:467547) | #17 | |
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Correct me if I am wrong. Didn't Schumi spun out and looked silly while attacking Barri? What does it make you think he would have been succesfull in Austria?
If Brawn tells schumi not to attack then it must be clear (as it happened many times) that he also ask Barri not to attack or even to slow down the guy behind to help Schumi. Taking all of that in consideration would not you say that half of the job is already done for schumi? Can you honestly say that Yoong would not pile up a record number of victories under such conditions? |
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8 Jan 2003, 17:45 (Ref:467550) | #18 | ||
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Darn, and I said to myself not to reply.
You are wrong. |
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8 Jan 2003, 17:51 (Ref:467561) | #20 | ||
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It is only flamebait, it is only flamebait...
I should like to point out that ANY wins for Yoong would be a "record number." |
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Shock,Horror, Team Orders,been part of motor racing since the first race was ever held.
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8 Jan 2003, 18:15 (Ref:467597) | #22 | ||
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Please people read this :Posting etiquette
This subject has been discussed more than enough. There is nothing more to add to this discussion. There are people that agree and others that don't. Nobody will change their opinions, no matter what it is. |
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