MSV and Track Limits

[yellowspanner]

This could be an interesting development.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113119

[The Fat Clerk]

Be interesting to see if clubs use them

[Bodysnatcher]

Surely it will be the individual Clerks that will decide whether they will use them or ignore them? It's only 2 corners at Brands anyway - anything else will probably be "not seen" or "not possible"

[S griffin]

Why not just get rid of all this concrete and AstroTurf at the edge of the track? That would stop drivers going off the track every lap.

[The Fat Clerk]

It's very frustrating for a Post chief when you keep phoning them in and nothing happens

[SteveR]

When the cost of stopping people running onto the grass exceeds the cost of relaying the grass, isn't it time to rethink the entire, stupid rule?

Also, is there any provision in the Blue Book for using this sort of equipment? Do we have any volunteers to go to the MSA Tribuneral, when this goes to appeal?

[Woolley]

While I acknowledge a certain amount of difficulty in ensuring accuracy and consistency of reports, I'm not sure how insisting racing drivers stick to the track that's provided for them is a 'stupid rule'. You have to enforce a limit somewhere else everyone will simply cut or extend corners - and not just where the run-off is tarmac. Since you have to eventually have a limit, then the defined edges may as well be it.

[Mark Mitchell]

It all worked very well at Donington last weekend. Drivers perhaps "Tested The Water" but quickly realised they would be penalised if they carried on running wide. There were a good few warning flags given, but it was enough to make them drive within the limits of the track afterwards.
Iirc there was just one 5-sec penalty awarded all weekend which is pretty good for an entry list of over 300 cars

[Terrible-Tones]

Originally Posted by Woolley

I'm not sure how insisting racing drivers stick to the track that's provided for them is a 'stupid rule'. You have to enforce a limit somewhere

Exactly right Woolley - the track limits are not the perimeter fence of the venue - indeed there has to be a rule.

[flying muppet]

Originally Posted by SteveR

Also, is there any provision in the Blue Book for using this sort of equipment?

Yes - it's very clear...

[Greem]

As Mark said, a penalty was placed on one competitor at Donington; two laps later said driver stuck the car in the wall opposite the Old Hairpin.

So I suppose you could say that the penalty was without any effect in the end!

[MacGWC]

Originally Posted by Woolley

While I acknowledge a certain amount of difficulty in ensuring accuracy and consistency of reports, I'm not sure how insisting racing drivers stick to the track that's provided for them is a 'stupid rule'. You have to enforce a limit somewhere else everyone will simply cut or extend corners - and not just where the run-off is tarmac. Since you have to eventually have a limit, then the defined edges may as well be it.

My feelings, too. Trust JP and MSV team to come up with such a novel answer to reporting incidents! If it works will there be commission for future sales?

[Bodysnatcher]

It works.

There's a sensor at the bottom of paddock hill too. Never seen touring car drivers drive so well within the track limits as now defined. Lets see how race day goes now.

[gachjoel]

Originally Posted by SteveR

Also, is there any provision in the Blue Book for using this sort of equipment?

14.5 (b) Senior officials through the use of suitable equipment under the control of the organisers

[S griffin]

Have to say the rule worked for the BTCC.

[Slipstick]

Yes those guys are fairly competent drivers. If you tell them where they have to stick it that's pretty much where they'll stick it .

Steve

[Bryan Degerlund]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Have to say the rule worked for the BTCC.

Pity cannnot say same for Ginettas. At one time we had six numbers queuing for the Black-and-white flag.

[Shelagh]

Originally Posted by Bryan Degerlund

Pity cannnot say same for Ginettas. At one time we had six numbers queuing for the Black-and-white flag.

Bryan, they have to keep you busy otherwise you would get bored.

[thepits!]

Originally Posted by Shelagh

Bryan, they have to keep you busy otherwise you would get bored.

- I watched it on TV and he didn't appear to be that busy .... back to Silverstone two years ago when the first rule change was made, IW made sure we were very Very busy over that weekend!!

[JimW]

And now sensors have been installed at Oulton (Lodge anyway).

Jim

[Gordon Knight]

Originally Posted by JimW

And now sensors have been installed at Oulton (Lodge anyway).

Jim

Sensors & cameras now operational at Lodge & Old Hall.

[Gas bag]

Originally Posted by Gordon Knight

Sensors & cameras now operational at Lodge & Old Hall.

Continued use of 'judge of fact' at these locations.
I may undertake 'judge of fact' duty at Old Hall for BTCC meeting

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by JimW

And now sensors have been installed at Oulton (Lodge anyway).

Jim

The sensor strip at Lodge (about to be abused)

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

The sensor strip at Lodge (about to be abused)

Interesting! What that demonstrates to me is that the sensor strip won't catch every miscreant, so Judges of Fact will still have a vital role to play.

[Richard Duvall]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

The sensor strip at Lodge (about to be abused)

This picture seems to show a driver who has lost control and gone off rather that one that has taken a wide line to gain advantage.