Ecclestone proposes breakaway championship

[Pingguest]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle4083986.ece

Big news from Montreal. If Ferrari is 'on board' with Ecclestone, the break away might have good chance to succeed.

But I think it won't happen. It's just putting some pressure on Mosley to resign, isn't it?

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle4083986.ece
It's just putting some pressure on Mosley to resign, isn't it?

Hopefully, but anything can happen!

[Peter Mallett]

Well, the Concorde agreement sprang from the FISA/FOCA war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA-FOCA_war and it was orchestrated by Bernie and Max. This bit from the wiki is interesting. It was known as the world's fastest Formula ford race.

Originally Posted by Wiki

The FOCA teams staged a Formula One race under the WFMS banner in South Africa in February 1981, won by Carlos Reutemann in a Williams FW07B-Cosworth.

[BootsOntheSide]

I suppose ethical standards are different in Italy, but the vote to keep Max was democratic and must be upheld. A breakaway would be destructive for the sport, destriuctive for Bernie's legacy, and destructive for Ferrari's reputation.

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Well, the Concorde agreement sprang from the FISA/FOCA war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA-FOCA_war and it was orchestrated by Bernie and Max. This bit from the wiki is interesting. It was known as the world's fastest Formula ford race.

No coincidence that the new Concorde agreement is being discussed at the moment then

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68042

[Marbot]

The story seems to be gathering pace.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=35017

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/n...f1_series.html

[courageous]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

orchestrated ... Bernie ... Max.

the only 3 words needed to explain anything that Dastardly & Mutley say when they are in a spot of bother.
And everyone falls for it everytime...

[JAG]

A revolution is needed in F1, everything in the sport is heading in the wrong direction.

[Yannick]

Now if Bernie and the major teams start setting up a breakaway championship, those teams might attract customer teams to run in the official FIA championship ;-) For example, if say McLaren and Red Bull Racing run in the CVC/SLEC championship, they could have customer teams in the competing FIA world championship, like ProDrive and Toro Rosso. That would make the FIA Formula 1 World Championship much cheaper. And the big money big manufacturer series of CVC/SLEC could run in the far East and middle East, whereas Max's series (if he gets enough new teams in, willing to buy chassis and engines, maybe even Cosworth engines) could run on those circuits that have problems in acquiring money to pay Bernie's starting fee.
So they need to come up with a timetable that doesn't overlap too much, and new teams and circuits could come to the "official" series.
This is wild new opportunities galore instead of autocorso with 16 cars. ;-)

[duke_toaster]

That would stop when one of the two series go to an incompatible set of technical regulations.

I doubt this is more than a political tool.

[Ralf's Girl]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

It's just putting some pressure on Mosley to resign, isn't it?

I think you're right. It's an interesting proposition, but right now I think people just want rid of Mosley, and they're hoping that the threat of the FIA losing the jewel in its crown will force his hand. But then again, Mosley isn't exactly showing that he cares about the long-term welfare of the FIA, so he might just dig his heels in even more.

[Knowlesy]

The benefits of a breakaway series have been aptly demonstrated over in North America, where the once great and frankly unbeatable CART became a pathetic shell of a series and died a slow and horribly embarrassing death.

This is all just posturing and nothing will happen, except for the odd political barb being thrown about the place.

Boring indeed.

[Bononi]

Totally agree with Kowlesy...

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The benefits of a breakaway series have been aptly demonstrated over in North America, where the once great and frankly unbeatable CART became a pathetic shell of a series and died a slow and horribly embarrassing death.

Of course, some might argue that F1 is doing that right now anyway...

[zac510]

F1 is practically more popular than ever? At least since Hamilton came on board anyway.
Forum punters are always talking about its death, but for some reason they can't stop watching..

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by zac510

Forum punters are always talking about its death, but for some reason they can't stop watching..

Reminded me of a joke about 'Vultures'.

[Marbot]

Bernie denies breakaway-shock horror!

Also interesting paragraph about KERS and £150,000 non-reusable batteries!

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=35037

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by zac510

F1 is practically more popular than ever? At least since Hamilton came on board anyway.

In the UK, maybe...globally, I'm not sure. And it certainly won't be with the 12 car-grids we might see before long

[p261brm]

[quote=BootsOntheSide] destriuctive for Bernie's legacy, [quote]

What legacy? The only legacy Messers Ecclestone & Mosley will leave behind is the destruction of F1

[Knowlesy]

A bit extreme perhaps. They have done a lot of bad things, but they have also brought a lot to the sport as well.

In Max's case the good things long ago stopped, but nevertheless...

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

I suppose ethical standards are different in Italy, but the vote to keep Max was democratic and must be upheld.

So, if you are not satisfied with the democratic election results of your country, you should not be allowed to emigrate? The FIA is free to keep Mosley, just as the member organizations are free to leave if not satisfied. Nothing unethical about that.

[Ultimo]

Originally Posted by Satorian

So, if you are not satisfied with the democratic election results of your country, you should not be allowed to emigrate? The FIA is free to keep Mosley, just as the member organizations are free to leave if not satisfied. Nothing unethical about that.

Very well said Satorian.

If the members of the FIA are not happy with it's governance, then they have they should and do have the right to leave.

[zac510]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

In the UK, maybe...globally, I'm not sure. And it certainly won't be with the 12 car-grids we might see before long

Yeah that's the stereotype, but your post is missing a rosey coloured glasses view of how much better it was in 'your day'

[ralf fan]

Bernie has denied discussing a breakaway series. This means an announcement is imminent.

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by zac510

Yeah that's the stereotype, but your post is missing a rosey coloured glasses view of how much better it was in 'your day'

With "my day" being? I don't disagree that F1 probably never was more successful than in the last few years (though I disagree that Hamilton makes much of difference worldwide). But denying that there is a very real danger of peaking (or already having peaked) - that is a rosey colored glasses view.